Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Don Coon]

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Regets
To: 'WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] charges and angles

I should have read Rogers post first .... especially since I was the one that talked Jon into this, haha
 
G

Read my reply, as Rogers post does not answere the question.
 
Don

Well, here's the fly in the ointment on the dead horse:

I think 6.165 takes care of DC's angle quesation.
"6.165 Making Charge Moves…
Lining Up. Once in contact and conformed, the position of charging
bodies is adjusted so that the side edges of each full…
2. If neither body can be lined up due to other bodies or terrain,
treat them as though they have lined up for all purposes."

I then saw 6.163.
"6.163 Declaring Charges…
Discovering Illegal Charges. The players should make every effort to
determine if a charge is legal before it is declared…
After lining up, it is discovered that a body cannot `fit' into a
constraining space (caused by terrain or another body) without making
an illegal interpenetration."

Clarify 6.163 by adding making it "...another friendly body)...".

Plus, "illegal interpenetration" occurs just once in the rules, in
6.163.
Other interpenetrations
are "voluntary", "disordering", "permissable","involuntary",
and "unallowable". The term "legal" is also used (6.52, Replacing in
Combat) and calls on the reader to "(see above)". Does legal,
voluntary & permissable mean the same thing? Same question for
illegal, disordering and involuntary.

Also had a thought on the "uncovered" question. By the definition of
Uncovered in the rules, (Uncovered: A body is uncovered relative to
an enemy body if a third, friendly body passes through it or was
forced to divert around it in an evade, break-off or rout move.
Diverting means any movement besides moving in a single direction in
a single formation to avoid the body in question. All or part of the
body may have been visible to the enemy before the evade/break-off/
rout.), there exists DC's problem. A suggested rephrase, you ask?

Uncovered: A body is uncovered relative to an enemy body if a third,
friendly body passes through it, was forced to divert around it or
moves away from its screening position in an evade, break-off or rout
move. Diverting means any movement besides moving in a single
direction in a single formation to avoid the body in question. All
or part of the body may have been visible to the enemy before the
evade/break-off/ rout.

Sorry for the length and if I attributed anything to DC I should not
have.

Roger

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Greg - that lining up rule already exists - last two lines
of 'lining up'
> section of 6.165. I think something similar might be in order for
the pivot
> section as well to deal with Don's 'issue'. Just don't know yet.

[joncleaves]

Roger

Thanks for your effort. I will look at this in detail when I get back.

Jon

[Don Coon]

Well, here's the fly in the ointment on the dead horse:

I think 6.165 takes care of DC's angle quesation.
"6.165 Making Charge Moves.
Lining Up. Once in contact and conformed, the position of charging
bodies is adjusted so that the side edges of each full.
2. If neither body can be lined up due to other bodies or terrain,
treat them as though they have lined up for all purposes."


Notice the word "CONFORMED". None of the rest of 6.165 matters if the
charger has not CONFORMED to the chargee yet.


Uncovered: A body is uncovered relative to an enemy body if a third,
friendly body passes through it, was forced to divert around it or
moves away from its screening position in an evade, break-off or rout
move. Diverting means any movement besides moving in a single
direction in a single formation to avoid the body in question. All
or part of the body may have been visible to the enemy before the
evade/break-off/ rout.

Sorry for the length and if I attributed anything to DC I should not
have.

Roger

Must simpler IMHO to say "A charge declared against an enemy body counts as
declared on any other enemy body in the charge path that becomes reachable
due to the enemy the original charge was declared on moving. Impetuous
chargers must do everything possible to contact the original charge target.
Non impetuous chargers, may wheel to attempt to hit a charge target that has
moved, or charge STRAIGHT ahead along the charge path."

Too all encompassing? Too powerful for the chargers? I do not know. We do
not think so, but have not fully playtested it.

Don