Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

<< When you are doing this please let us know where a unit that can not avoid
a
new (but not uncovered) charge target must stop. 40p from new body? >>

Like I said, 6.166 will get language not unlike 6.33 on this.

<< Also let us know where a charger must stop if a new target that can not be
legally charged (i.e LI charges LI, LI evade uncovering LMI. LI can not
legall ycharge LMI, where do they stop?) >>

See above, but also an explicit reference to new targets that are not legal
and what to do. The rule will be 40p or half the distance, just as it is now
in 7th.

Jon

[joncleaves]

The bottom line of this whole charge discussion:

I have captured every email and will work a new charge at evaders section
along with fixing the confusion over uncovered and wheeled charge paths.

Keep talking but be patient.

[Don Coon]

> Don,

> *** I would have the charger make every attempt to follow the
> original target. If this is not viable (or unachievable) and the new
> unit is contactable, then the charger should be allowed to hit it.
> As an aside, here we generally rule that in this type of situation
> the LI DID uncover the LMI in it's evade move as the LMI could not be
> seen nor was it an eligable target at time of charge
> declarations.

This is exactly what we want too. The problem is the "uncovered" section of
the rules. We feel any enemy that can be contacted due to and
evading/routing charge target can get hit. 1.261 only allows this if the
original target diverted around the new potential target.

> > We have had several instances where a charger had its target
> evade, but not divert or interpenetrate around a body that the
> charger could now contact (and in fact could not possibly avoid).
> There is nothing in the current rules to handle this. Since the new
> enemy is not "uncovered" it can not be a charge target. If it can
> not be a new charge target, what does the charger do? Stop a .0001P
> from the body? 40P? 1 AU?
>
> You failed to address this key point. Steve, when this situation
> occurs in your games, where do you have the charger stop? The rules
> say nothing about this.
>
> I actually agree with you. As I have said above, we here would consider
that the LMI
> were uncovered by the LI evade and, if chasing the LI was not
> possible, then the LMI would be a legitimate target to hit. Also, as
> I have said, the LMI would become the ONLY target if the attcker was
> a scythed chariot charging impetuously and can not change course once
> it began it's charge. Perhaps this last point is the most telling to
> change the 1.261 wording and diagram otherwise the chariot, not being
> able to chase the LI, would be forced to pull up one/beesdick short
> of the LMI and stop it's charge. And this is contrary to the rules
> for the chariot.

> Can I stop digging now? BTW, did you guys dry run the LI delaying
> their recall from close and loose until after prep shooting? What
> was the result? I will keep a track on this over this coming
> weekend. I'm sure that over 6 games, I'll have some data for you.

Yes. We have over 20 games using this "new" phasing for LI. It works fine.
We have never yet had an LI disorder the troops forcing their recall, but if
it happened, all of us in N texas agree the LI should be allowed to exploit
it.

Don

[Don Coon]

> << Imagine a flank charge at an LI unit .
> In the LI units other flank is an enemy LMI unit. When the LI evade
> straight to their rear (as they are allowed to do), the LMI can now be
seen
> by the charger. The charger must wheel 45 to try to follow the LI but
can
> not clear the LMI unit. The LMI were not diverted around per 1.261, and
the
> charger can not avoid them. What would you do with the charger now? >>
> >>
>
> I'd let it hit, and will review what uncovered says to see why this guy is
> not uncovered by definition.

We always have, but the rules cause arguments. Thanks for the review. BTW
its good to see you back on the list. I wondered it 010911 pulled you away
from us do to your real life duties.

Don

[Don Coon]

> I do not intend an LOS-based change for uncovered. i just read it again
and
> don't see an issue.

Ok Jon,

When you are doing this please let us know where a unit that can not avoid a
new (but not uncovered) charge target must stop. 40p from new body? Also
let us know where a charger must stop if a new target that can not be
legally charged (i.e LI charges LI, LI evade uncovering LMI. LI can not
legall ycharge LMI, where do they stop?)

Don