Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Patrick Byrne]

It seams to me that most armies are either Warm or Cold climate. It is not
often I've seen or heard people be enthusiastic about playing the tropical or
desert armies. With that C+W, C gets plus one, if both are C's each get +1.

I don't know if I am correct in this assumption, but I feel that the climate
thing does have an impact on an army list (all be it small) and that may be
another factor in helping some lists be successful over other lists.

Am I just off-base??? (insert your comment here)
-PB



DONALD COON wrote:

> > You want to talk about screwed up???
> > I have a 25mm Yuan Mongol Army and a 15mm Norse Irish Army.
> >
> > I am working to correct that now, but let's just say that the advantage is
> not on my side. Conversly
> > though, I have to try and whip much stuff out of my a@#. With that, I
> like to enforce home army climate
> > (helps give me more terrain) which most people don't play much around
> here.
> > -PB
>
> Wouldnt home army climate work against about as often as it works for you?
> I mean an equal number of matchups give you or your opponent the +1, so
> sometimes home climate helps, and others it doesnt.
>
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[joncleaves]

Patrick
I agree that you cannot ignore climate. It plays a role like any other
aspect of a list.

But there are plenty of dry armies out there fighting in events, and even
more tropicals.

Jon

[Don Coon]

> It seams to me that most armies are either Warm or Cold climate. It is
not
> often I've seen or heard people be enthusiastic about playing the tropical
or
> desert armies. With that C+W, C gets plus one, if both are C's each get
+1.

Are the Yuan Mongols cold? I am sure the Norse Irish are. I see your
point, especially in our group where you play cold armies, and your
opponents are Fuedal English (cold), all varieties of Roman (Warm), and
Japanese (cold?). The Aztecs are probably tropical, and my Palmyrans are
either warm or desert I guess. You get the +1 quite often.

Don

[scott holder]

Climate is not a factor in *selecting* an army. However, those of us enamored
with SE Asian elephant trash love the fact that we get that +1 on terrain.
Anyone who's played me running my goofball Khmer list can tell you, even in
25mm, it's a small list. Therefore, I *need* all for of my terrain picks to
cut the board down to size:):)

>>> cuan@... 11/5/01 7:11:00 PM >>>
It seams to me that most armies are either Warm or Cold climate. It is not
often I've seen or heard people be enthusiastic about playing the tropical or
desert armies. With that C+W, C gets plus one, if both are C's each get +1.

I don't know if I am correct in this assumption, but I feel that the climate
thing does have an impact on an army list (all be it small) and that may be
another factor in helping some lists be successful over other lists.

Am I just off-base??? (insert your comment here)
-PB



DONALD COON wrote:

> > You want to talk about screwed up???
> > I have a 25mm Yuan Mongol Army and a 15mm Norse Irish Army.
> >
> > I am working to correct that now, but let's just say that the advantage is
> not on my side. Conversly
> > though, I have to try and whip much stuff out of my a@#. With that, I
> like to enforce home army climate
> > (helps give me more terrain) which most people don't play much around
> here.
> > -PB
>
> Wouldnt home army climate work against about as often as it works for you?
> I mean an equal number of matchups give you or your opponent the +1, so
> sometimes home climate helps, and others it doesnt.
>
> Don
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[joncleaves]

Adam

Please feel free to provide a nice, historically more accurate x-rule on
climate.

Jon

Kelly is right, the Vikings went on a business trip and stayed for an extended vacation.

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Patrick,

I know from conversations with Scott, that he
would be against this but I think that an aggression
factor of some kind (not necessarily the DBM model)
should be used to determine who is the defender. While
the Early Byzantines may have been expansionistic in
the period of Justinian, they were not so in other
times during this time frame. And when one looks at
the Commenen period they are pretty much on the
defensive. Using Climate to determine who the defender
is mighty simplistic and just doesn't "Feel Right."
What are your thoughts or anyone elses for that
matter?


Kelly

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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Who did the Norse Irish ever invade? It seems to me
that they should be the defender most of the time
rather than the attacker. Does anyone have an opinion
on this? When was the last time the Norse Irish
invaded the Arabs? Cold verses Dry= Dry the defender.
What if Dry is the Arab conquest!?

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> What are your thoughts or anyone elses for that
> matter?

Thiss has always seemed very arbitrary to me as well. The only
rationalisation would seem to be that it is always barbarians from
the frozen wastes who invade indolent warm climate civilized
countries, in fantasy novels :-)

Adam

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> Who did the Norse Irish ever invade?
> Kelly
>
Other Irish, Wales, North America ? Anywhere else Vikings attacked ?

[Kelly Wilkinson]

But Adam, Cold is at home verses warm!

LOL! Kelly

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That would be cool!


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

But not any dry climates or tropical climates. Further
these invasions were more like raids if you are
speaking of vikings. Nothing in the scale of the
Norman conquest of their country.

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[Patrick Byrne]

Yuan Mongols are Warm, regular Mongols are Cold.
Most armies I've looked at fall into one of these two mainstream climates. I'm
not saying all, but I would think 75-80%

It is weird. I don't necessarily think the rule was to promote a home vs. away
feeling. Then I ask myself, if not that then what? Does anyone out there know
why "Climate" was introduced?

I tend to think of it more like Texas/OU games where they are played in Dallas
at the cottonbowl, but then UT is considered the home team. Hell!, it's a 3+
hour drive for both teams.
-PB




DONALD COON wrote:

> > It seams to me that most armies are either Warm or Cold climate. It is
> not
> > often I've seen or heard people be enthusiastic about playing the tropical
> or
> > desert armies. With that C+W, C gets plus one, if both are C's each get
> +1.
>
> Are the Yuan Mongols cold? I am sure the Norse Irish are. I see your
> point, especially in our group where you play cold armies, and your
> opponents are Fuedal English (cold), all varieties of Roman (Warm), and
> Japanese (cold?). The Aztecs are probably tropical, and my Palmyrans are
> either warm or desert I guess. You get the +1 quite often.
>
> Don
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Hi Jon. I have a couple of rule interpretation questions based upon 2 games played in Monterray, Ca. last weekend. I will share your reply with the reemerging Northern California 7.5 players now gaming Warriors. 1. Using 1200 points and a 4 or 5 ft by 6 ft table, would there be a one stick (240) pace width that could not be occupied to broops(unless they were hidden by appropriate terrain), or can troops go right to the edge of the gaming table space. (a wide water could of course fill that space and as such troops counld touch that waters edge.??? 2. This is a break off question. A unit of mounted attack a unit of foot who take the charge halted. The halted foot win the fight and the opposing unit is pushed back. The opposing unit breaks off. Does the opposing (attacking unit) add its break off move to the 40 paces of pushback. And if so does the following up unit do the same or is the push back move deducted from each units breakoff/follow up movement which is determined by a die roll. Or does the pushed back unit in effect gain an extra 40 paces from the sequence of movement in this example. Please clarify and if the example is not clear please advise and I will try again. Thanks Lenney Herrmann     From: JonCleaves@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:17 AM To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Climate  AdamPlease feel free to provide a nice, historically more accurate x-rule on climate.JonTo unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.comYour use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/