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Does anyone have any details on the coats of arms of the following English
nobles durring the Baronial War of 1264:

-Henry de Montfort
-Gloucester
-Nicholas de Segrave

Perhaps a source on the net has some pics?

Any help here would be appreciated.

--Kurt






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[Don Coon]

> Does anyone have any details on the coats of arms of the following English
> nobles durring the Baronial War of 1264:
>
> -Henry de Montfort

From "The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales" By Sir
Bernard Burke, Ulster King of Arms: Monfort (Earl of Leicester, extinct
1264) Gules, a lion rampant queue fourchee argent. Do not know if this is
your man or not, but the extict 1264 made the entry intriging. However I
think it is actually for Simon De Montfort due to other sources (including
Boutell) citing the same blazon. I would be very cautious about
attributing this to Henry.

> -Gloucester

I assume you mean the city. As per Burke: Vert on a pale gules between two
horseshoes, each horseshoe between three nails, two in chief and one in
base, all meeting with their points to the shoe argent, a sword in a
scabbard azure, hilt, pommel, and studding on the scabbard Or, on the point
of the sword a cap of maintainance gules, turned up ermine. On a cheif per
pale Or and purpure, a boars head couped argent, between two demi roses, the
dexter gules barbed vert, the sinister of the third barbed vert, each
issuing rays from its centre, pointing to the boars head Or.

The reference goes on to cite the original arms of the city as: Or, three
chevrons gules between ten torteaux, three, three, three, and one.

Thats a wordy bugger eh?

> -Nicholas de Segrave

Burke has a solid reference to this dude: Edward IV placed the Barony in
abeyance. Gilbert De Segrave Lord of Segrave AD1193 has a great grandson
Nicholas Segrave who was summoned to parliment in 1264 (this has got to be
your man). The blazon is: Sable three garbs argent banded gules. I can not
tell from the entry if the arms are for Gilbert or Nicholas. Since the
Barony was in abeyance, IMHO even if the blazon is for great grandpappy,
there would have probably been no cadency or difference marks. I have a
lesser source that attributes the blazon to Nicholas Segrave and states it
was also bourne by Geoffrey and Gilbert (Fuedal Coats of Arms by Joseph
Foster) which further bears out my theory. I think you can go with this one
with confidence.

FYI, I have an EXTENSIVE heraldic library (used to be an important side
hobby of mine). Researching Blazon takes time, but I still find it fun.
Hope this helps. I have more resources, but many of them pertain to the
science of heraldry rather than being pure armorials.

Don

> > -Henry de Montfort
>
> From "The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales" By Sir
> Bernard Burke, Ulster King of Arms: Monfort (Earl of Leicester, extinct
> 1264) Gules, a lion rampant queue fourchee argent. Do not know if this is
> your man or not, but the extict 1264 made the entry intriging. However I
> think it is actually for Simon De Montfort due to other sources (including
> Boutell) citing the same blazon. I would be very cautious about
> attributing this to Henry.
>

This has to be the Earl Simon. His younger son, Simon, is said to wear his
fathers arms along with a three-point label azure. But what of Henry???

Comments anyone???

--Kurt