Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Ewan McNay]

Ah, you should wait. At some stage there will flow from my pen a comment
on list rules etc., epecially with regard to OW. Given that I reviewed
all this stuff before it made it to print I'm unlikely to be that critical
. So yeah, I grinned at the apposition, but I would have thought my
cheap shots were less subtle than that...

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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 JonCleaves@... wrote:

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[joncleaves]

I'm glad you're that rich, but I'm not! I bought the Sassanids - but
they're the first and only 25mm troops I own, and the only army I ever
bought. >>

I am not that rich - I could not afford to do what you did with the sassanids.
But I do have a much higher 'defense budget' than those around me and I try to
be as sensitive to that as i can and to help wherever and whenever i can.

<< I definitely expect to play them for a long time.>>

Good to know...

<<Maybe we're talking about slightly different things - you seem to be
talking about army style vs. player style. I confess, for instance, to
preferring regular support troops (e.g. the Sassanids), which I guess is a
'style.' >>

Precisely. Good to acknowlegde agreement...

<< But then what one does with that style of troops - i.e. player
style - depends on whether they are LI, LC, LMI B, LHI LTS/JLS...>>

Concur again.

<<Back to the Sassanids - before them, I played largely Seleucids; prior to
that it was primarily Imperialists, and before *that* it was Aztecs.>>

Partly yes and partly no - they have some important similarities.... ;)

I also remember some late romans in there, yes?

<<Which serendipitously for my argument here seems to be four completely
different army styles, leading to four completely different ways of
playing.>>

I would strongly disagree here. I see some stark similarities between at least
three of them and am not shocked to find you choosing those three. Those
imperialists, though...hmmm - care to share a list of yours?

<< Trying to impose some 'player style' *has* to be a bad thing.>>

On that I agree 1000%. Exactly what i am saying - imposing a player style on an
army for which it is not suited is disastrous. My point exactly.

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[joncleaves]

So yeah, I grinned at the apposition, but I would have thought my
cheap shots were less subtle than that...>>

I am sorry to burst your bubble...lol

J

[Ewan McNay]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 JonCleaves@... wrote:
> I also remember some late romans in there, yes?

Naah. I've only ever played LIR once, I think, in a Dogs tournament. The
standard LIR seemed to me to be too sleazy (harsh coming from a Seleucid
player!) under a two-list format.

> I would strongly disagree here. I see some stark similarities between
> at least three of them and am not shocked to find you choosing those
> three. Those imperialists, though...hmmm - care to share a list of
> yours?

Sure - I can do it in about two lines :0. Remember that this is all TOG.

This is the old gray book list. You get 48 Reg C LI: 12 with CB and 36
with HG. Take them all: 5 8-man units and 2 4-man. Those are the only
light or terrain troops you get...

Then take every general available - I think I ran a CinC and 5 subs pretty
much all the time. Almost free when they're SHK. The CinC went into a
feudal SHK/MC unit; 4 of the subs went into mercenary SHK/HC units to
allow for impetuosity on demand. All knight units were front rank SHK L,
back rank either MC or HC, with upgrades to HK where permitted/affordable
(rare, I think). I'd have preferred to have shields, but that's not an
option in the late period where you get the LI.

Then take every remaining SHK/seargant unit in the list.

That gets you to I think 10 units of 6 SHK/sergeants plus the LI. That's
it. [There's a unit of SHK HG available, and I think if you avoid any
upgrades to HK and maximise MC you can afford these. I went back and
forth, but would not recommend them to start with.]

Tons of fun to play, and very effective; also a recipe for extremely short
games. I do remember one game in the World Champs against an Indian that
was not much fun - I was reduced to charging SHK impetuously into the
flanks of elephants, then breaking off...

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[joncleaves]

This is the old gray book list. You get 48 Reg C LI: 12 with CB and 36
with HG. Take them all: 5 8-man units and 2 4-man. >>

Good to know my instincts are sharp. That makes all four essentially the
same.... :)

J