Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Todd Kaeser]

Jon,

Just noticed in my annual reading of the rules before
Historicon that when a CinC goes down w/ a PA standard
there is a waver test for all units w/in 480 paces -
not 720.

Why the change considering visibility is 720???

Todd K

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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 7/8/2003 10:19:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
hailkaeser@... writes:

> when a CinC goes down w/ a PA standard
> there is a waver test for all units w/in 480 paces -
> not 720.
>
> Why the change considering visibility is 720???>>

Not sure what you are asking, Todd. The rule for a general in line of command
is 240p. The rule for A or S standard lost is 480p. None of the waver test
causes are 720p - that is clear visibility MAXIMUM over flat ground (it is
sometime less).

I haven't changed anything about that or any Warrior rule.

Jon

[Todd Kaeser]

Jon,

I guess I should have clarified my comment.

In 7th (I know this is not 7th) when a A standard went
down the test was w/in 720 paces.

If visibility is 720 paces, and when prompting a unit
the general can prompt a unit "in sight" at 720p, and
an A standard can be seen over any troops, why is it
only 480 paces???

Not being a pain, well I am, but I didn't catch this
the first dozen times I've read the rules through.

Todd

--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/8/2003 10:19:02 AM Eastern
> Standard Time, hailkaeser@... writes:
>
> > when a CinC goes down w/ a PA standard
> > there is a waver test for all units w/in 480 paces
> -
> > not 720.
> >
> > Why the change considering visibility is 720???>>
>
> Not sure what you are asking, Todd. The rule for a
> general in line of command is 240p. The rule for A
> or S standard lost is 480p. None of the waver test
> causes are 720p - that is clear visibility MAXIMUM
> over flat ground (it is sometime less).
>
> I haven't changed anything about that or any Warrior
> rule.
>
> Jon
>


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 7/8/2003 2:12:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hailkaeser@... writes:

> If visibility is 720 paces, and when prompting a unit
> the general can prompt a unit "in sight" at 720p, and
> an A standard can be seen over any troops, why is it
> only 480 paces???>>

So, this is a design question. Ok.

Visibility is not 720p. It is in LOS and either 1200p, 720p, 600p, 360p, 240p,
160p, 120p, 80p, 60p or 40p depending on conditions (12.41). Conditions a
player would have to know or look up when he had to take this waver, and I will
point out that you did not know them, so we aren't just talking rooks here.

480p was commensurate with the range at which an S standard influenced troops
and I did not want a separate rule for A's and S's. It was also easy to
remember and wouldn't be influenced by the viewer or standard being on high
ground - the rest of the visibility ranges don't normally come into play in day
to day gaming.

480p is also 400 yards. I think that is a reasonable range at which to expect a
horsetail or draco to influence troops through its loss no matter how far a
troop could 'see' under ideal conditions.

Sure, I balanced payability and reality here. Not the only place...lol

Now, your turn. Why do you need to know why???

Jon

[Harlan Garrett]

Jon

Good explanation.

Thanks
Harlan
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In a message dated 7/8/2003 2:12:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hailkaeser@... writes:

> If visibility is 720 paces, and when prompting a unit
> the general can prompt a unit "in sight" at 720p, and
> an A standard can be seen over any troops, why is it
> only 480 paces???>>

So, this is a design question. Ok.

Visibility is not 720p. It is in LOS and either 1200p, 720p, 600p, 360p,
240p, 160p, 120p, 80p, 60p or 40p depending on conditions (12.41).
Conditions a player would have to know or look up when he had to take this
waver, and I will point out that you did not know them, so we aren't just
talking rooks here.

480p was commensurate with the range at which an S standard influenced
troops and I did not want a separate rule for A's and S's. It was also easy
to remember and wouldn't be influenced by the viewer or standard being on
high ground - the rest of the visibility ranges don't normally come into
play in day to day gaming.

480p is also 400 yards. I think that is a reasonable range at which to
expect a horsetail or draco to influence troops through its loss no matter
how far a troop could 'see' under ideal conditions.

Sure, I balanced payability and reality here. Not the only place...lol

Now, your turn. Why do you need to know why???

Jon


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[Todd Kaeser]

Jon,

I was just curious why the change. I also bet that
most of the readers have been playing 720 paces for
the past 10 years and still haven't realized that it
is now 480 - I know I didn't.

Thanks for the insight.

Todd K

--- JonCleaves@... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/8/2003 2:12:53 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, hailkaeser@... writes:
>
> > If visibility is 720 paces, and when prompting a
> unit
> > the general can prompt a unit "in sight" at 720p,
> and
> > an A standard can be seen over any troops, why is
> it
> > only 480 paces???>>
>
> So, this is a design question. Ok.
>
> Visibility is not 720p. It is in LOS and either
> 1200p, 720p, 600p, 360p, 240p, 160p, 120p, 80p, 60p
> or 40p depending on conditions (12.41). Conditions
> a player would have to know or look up when he had
> to take this waver, and I will point out that you
> did not know them, so we aren't just talking rooks
> here.
>
> 480p was commensurate with the range at which an S
> standard influenced troops and I did not want a
> separate rule for A's and S's. It was also easy to
> remember and wouldn't be influenced by the viewer or
> standard being on high ground - the rest of the
> visibility ranges don't normally come into play in
> day to day gaming.
>
> 480p is also 400 yards. I think that is a
> reasonable range at which to expect a horsetail or
> draco to influence troops through its loss no matter
> how far a troop could 'see' under ideal conditions.
>
> Sure, I balanced payability and reality here. Not
> the only place...lol
>
> Now, your turn. Why do you need to know why???
>
> Jon
>


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