Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Dave Markowitz]

The current draft of Warrior, as did 7th, states that "EHK and HK who
have dismounted as EHI all count as shielded and armed with JLS
unless otherwise specified by army list" because "this reflects the
knightly practice of cutting down lances to fight on foot."

My understanding is that this practice only applied to Western
armies, not the Eastern armies that currently can take their shock
cavalry as EHK. It would thus seem that the EHK from those Eastern
armies should dismount with LTS.

Since there are relatively few of those armies, however, it might be
easier address this issue in the lists than in the rules.

[joncleaves]

This will be a list rule, and only for those eastern armies that we continue to
interpret as EHK.

But, good point, and added to the ever-growing list!

Jon Cleaves wrote:

>This will be a list rule, and only for those eastern armies that we
>continue to interpret as EHK.

Can I suggest list rules be avoided, and that the rule in the published set
of Warrior say something like:

"EHK dismount as EHI, and are armed with either JLS or LTS as specified in
an army list"

This gives maximum flexibility to both rule book and army lists, without
cluttering up the rule book with things that require exceptions in the
lists.

Paul Szuscikiewicz

[joncleaves]

Sounds good to me, Paul.

Scotty?

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/16/00 09:10:32 Central Daylight Time,
jgarrett@... writes:

<< Actually, for what it is worth, I want to voice opposition to this
proposal. I think one of the strengths of Warrior, which will aid in
the attempt to simulate over 4000 years of history is list specific
rules. It will reduce some of the "generic" problems of WRG and
allow troops to behave more like they did as reported in histories,
chronicles and war tales.

Jevon >>

I am glad you said that, Jevon, as we are very excited about how list rules
are turning out. I like Scott's draft of the biblical list so much, I may
just have to buy an army in that era (oops, that's right, those Midianite
Arabs are lurking right over there by my bookcase...).
Ok, maybe another army in that era.

The less armies something applies to, the more likely it will be in the lists.

Jon

[Jevon Garrett]

Actually, for what it is worth, I want to voice opposition to this
proposal. I think one of the strengths of Warrior, which will aid in
the attempt to simulate over 4000 years of history is list specific
rules. It will reduce some of the "generic" problems of WRG and
allow troops to behave more like they did as reported in histories,
chronicles and war tales.

Jevon

> Jon Cleaves wrote:
>
> >This will be a list rule, and only for those eastern armies that we
> >continue to interpret as EHK.
>
> Can I suggest list rules be avoided, and that the rule in the
> published set of Warrior say something like:
>
> "EHK dismount as EHI, and are armed with either JLS or LTS as
> specified in an army list"
>
> This gives maximum flexibility to both rule book and army lists,
> without cluttering up the rule book with things that require
> exceptions in the lists.
>
> Paul Szuscikiewicz
>
>
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[joncleaves]

<< but with the rules and lists available online, updates to oversights are
easily
corrected. >>

Um, I'm not sure what is meant by this. We are publishing printed copies of
Warrior, which is copyright protected intellectual property. Same with the
lists. Maybe when security software matures to the point that full online
publication can protect a copyright, we'll do that, but even in that case, I
would not be making constant 'updates' to 'oversights.'
A few 'out-lier' lists will be posted here on the egroup, as will tactics,
criticisms, play aids, battle reports, tourney results, scenario ideas, etc.
But not the rules or the list books. Once the final draft gets turned into a
rule book, it will be removed from the group. Posting our rules or lists on
a free site will be viloation of copyright. Just like any other such product.
I'll do this thing for next to nothing, but not nothing!

Anyone can do anything they want to their copy of Warrior. After they buy it.

Sorry if I misunderstood your statement, Phil. Just wanted to be clear. We
want to be as customer oriented as possible, but we are still a business.

Jon

[Phil Gardocki]

I agree, that list specific rules should be applied. I know that
consistency will need to be maintained and is a very difficult task, but
with the rules and lists available online, updates to oversights are easily
corrected.

Philip Gardocki

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From: JonCleaves@... <JonCleaves@...>
To: WarriorRules@egroups.com <WarriorRules@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Dismounting Asian EHK


>In a message dated 6/16/00 09:10:32 Central Daylight Time,
>jgarrett@... writes:
>
><< Actually, for what it is worth, I want to voice opposition to this
> proposal. I think one of the strengths of Warrior, which will aid in
> the attempt to simulate over 4000 years of history is list specific
> rules. It will reduce some of the "generic" problems of WRG and
> allow troops to behave more like they did as reported in histories,
> chronicles and war tales.
>
> Jevon >>
>
>I am glad you said that, Jevon, as we are very excited about how list rules
>are turning out. I like Scott's draft of the biblical list so much, I may
>just have to buy an army in that era (oops, that's right, those Midianite
>Arabs are lurking right over there by my bookcase...).
>Ok, maybe another army in that era.
>
>The less armies something applies to, the more likely it will be in the
lists.
>
>Jon
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/19/00 21:36:28 Central Daylight Time, phgamer@...
writes:

<< Oh, I misunderstood. I was under the impression it would have
copies/updates
available on line, and avoid the Xeroxing and cutting of lines and
addendum's to the rules that have plagued WRG for so long. >>

IF I am forced, through my own inadequacies as an editor, to ever produce an
errata for Warrior (said errata only covering editing mistakes and not rules
changes), it will be made available free.
The rules will not be made available free.

However, I am doing everything in my power to ensure we get these rules right
the first time.

Jon

[Phil Gardocki]

Oh, I misunderstood. I was under the impression it would have copies/updates
available on line, and avoid the Xeroxing and cutting of lines and
addendum's to the rules that have plagued WRG for so long.

Philip Gardocki

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(610) 495 8937
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From: JonCleaves@... <JonCleaves@...>
To: WarriorRules@egroups.com <WarriorRules@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Dismounting Asian EHK


><< but with the rules and lists available online, updates to oversights are
>easily
> corrected. >>
>
>Um, I'm not sure what is meant by this. We are publishing printed copies
of
>Warrior, which is copyright protected intellectual property. Same with the
>lists. Maybe when security software matures to the point that full online
>publication can protect a copyright, we'll do that, but even in that case,
I
>would not be making constant 'updates' to 'oversights.'
>A few 'out-lier' lists will be posted here on the egroup, as will tactics,
>criticisms, play aids, battle reports, tourney results, scenario ideas,
etc.
>But not the rules or the list books. Once the final draft gets turned into
a
>rule book, it will be removed from the group. Posting our rules or lists
on
>a free site will be viloation of copyright. Just like any other such
product.
>I'll do this thing for next to nothing, but not nothing!
>
>Anyone can do anything they want to their copy of Warrior. After they buy
it.
>
>Sorry if I misunderstood your statement, Phil. Just wanted to be clear.
We
>want to be as customer oriented as possible, but we are still a business.
>
>Jon
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[Phil Gardocki]

Good luck, I will still continue to support you and your efforts, because, I
think rev 7 was the best set of ancients rules, it just needed a little
fixing, (and a lot of translating).
Philip Gardocki

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From: JonCleaves@... <JonCleaves@...>
To: WarriorRules@egroups.com <WarriorRules@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Dismounting Asian EHK


>In a message dated 6/19/00 21:36:28 Central Daylight Time,
phgamer@...
>writes:
>
><< Oh, I misunderstood. I was under the impression it would have
>copies/updates
> available on line, and avoid the Xeroxing and cutting of lines and
> addendum's to the rules that have plagued WRG for so long. >>
>
>IF I am forced, through my own inadequacies as an editor, to ever produce
an
>errata for Warrior (said errata only covering editing mistakes and not
rules
>changes), it will be made available free.
>The rules will not be made available free.
>
>However, I am doing everything in my power to ensure we get these rules
right
>the first time.
>
>Jon
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