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Jonathan wrote:

This is an LC question for some of the more experienced players like
Mark Stone.
I need help.
Next weekend I will be running Early Hungarian against Mongols. My
problem is that the mongol LC are just, well . . . better.
The mongol LC fight in 1.5 ranks and the hungarian don't. Let me say
first - this is *not* an "uncosted list rules rant". I just don't
know how to successfully deal with my LC costing the same but not
being as good. (or I guess to be exact: the hungarian LC doesn't cost
quite as much because they are irreg but I still face the same
problem)
I could:
1) purchase the minimum LC?
I figure pound for pound I'll get crucned in every matchup so why
bother. But this seems ahistorical. The backbone of the early
hungarian army was their light cav
2) max out and try to overwhelm the mongol LC with numbers?
win on quantity instead of quality. This also seems ahistorical and
stupid (more LC than the mongols?!)
So, if anybody has any advice, I'd love to read it.
Thanks,
Jonathan

Having used Early Hungarian lots of times, I think I can help here.

In my opinion list is best against mounted opponents, especially knights.
The list strength is drawn from cheap skirmishers and cheap knights.

I always take large units of Irreg C LC, B, large units of irreg C LI, B
and 6 element units of irreg C, MC, L, B, SH. None of these troops alone
sound impressive but they work extremely well together to combine shooting
then a charge from the lancers. Additionally people under estimate these
troops and often place themselves in situations that you can exploit.

The other charm of the list is lots of Irreg B HK, L, SH. At approximately
90 points a unit, they have the advantage against cavalry and are only one
factor down from SHK. A bargain in my book!

Specifically against a Mongol opponent, your approach should hinge on
shooting. In nearly every circumstance you will out shoot the Mongol HC
and LC; leaving the knights to charge when opportunity allows.

Hope this helps.
Paul Collins.

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Based on suggestions I've gotten here, I was thinking of taking my Hungarian LC
as 9
element units three deep and arming them with bow and shield and then keeping
them in
skirmish to get the -2 and the 3rd rank shooting. This way I think the unit
price is just a
bit lower than a fully tricked out mongol 6 element unit, they're pumping out
just as much
bowfire, and they come out ahead on CPF calculations.

Does this sound like the right way to go?

Jonathan


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> Jonathan wrote:
>
> This is an LC question for some of the more experienced players like
> Mark Stone.
> I need help.
> Next weekend I will be running Early Hungarian against Mongols. My
> problem is that the mongol LC are just, well . . . better.
> The mongol LC fight in 1.5 ranks and the hungarian don't. Let me say
> first - this is *not* an "uncosted list rules rant". I just don't
> know how to successfully deal with my LC costing the same but not
> being as good. (or I guess to be exact: the hungarian LC doesn't cost
> quite as much because they are irreg but I still face the same
> problem)
> I could:
> 1) purchase the minimum LC?
> I figure pound for pound I'll get crucned in every matchup so why
> bother. But this seems ahistorical. The backbone of the early
> hungarian army was their light cav
> 2) max out and try to overwhelm the mongol LC with numbers?
> win on quantity instead of quality. This also seems ahistorical and
> stupid (more LC than the mongols?!)
> So, if anybody has any advice, I'd love to read it.
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
>
> Having used Early Hungarian lots of times, I think I can help here.
>
> In my opinion list is best against mounted opponents, especially knights.
> The list strength is drawn from cheap skirmishers and cheap knights.
>
> I always take large units of Irreg C LC, B, large units of irreg C LI, B
> and 6 element units of irreg C, MC, L, B, SH. None of these troops alone
> sound impressive but they work extremely well together to combine shooting
> then a charge from the lancers. Additionally people under estimate these
> troops and often place themselves in situations that you can exploit.
>
> The other charm of the list is lots of Irreg B HK, L, SH. At approximately
> 90 points a unit, they have the advantage against cavalry and are only one
> factor down from SHK. A bargain in my book!
>
> Specifically against a Mongol opponent, your approach should hinge on
> shooting. In nearly every circumstance you will out shoot the Mongol HC
> and LC; leaving the knights to charge when opportunity allows.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Paul Collins.
>
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