Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

What would you rather play. A large scale game on the 8ft x 12 foot
table which would more realistically capture the battle or a more
representative game but on a smaller scale and on a smaller table?

My gut tell me to go with the smaller version. What do you think?

>Everytime I've seen some massive big battles game using 7th, it inevitably
misses the spirit of the battle, mainly because such distances on the table
make it virtually impossible for either flank to really be associated with the
rest of the battle. It always turns out that the "battle" turns into 2-4+
separate little battles within the thing and the CinC has precious little to
do unless he's fighting himself.

>So, if you're wanting people to be able to move around figures and fight but
not try to give either side a feel for the challenges faced by either CinC, go
with the big big game. Otherwise, try to shrink it down so that Sulla can be
Sulla.

Scott

[Phil Gardocki]

     My opinion is a smaller scale.  Most large scale battles I have seen also have disproportionate numbers of troops making the battlefield denser than the "normal" 1600pt 8x5 table.
      In our local group, we chop the table depth down a foot on the 15mm scale, to give the infantry better chances of engaging.

Phil

Need some guidance from all of you experienced ancient gamers. I am
putting together a historical "reenactment" of Sulla's victory over
the Mithriadatic forces at Chaeronea. It will be done in 25mm using
Warrior rules at a local historical gaming cinvention here in
Leavenworth Kansas (Spring Maneuvers, 23&24 Feb 2001). The main
point of the demo is to place an experienced gamer as CinC on each
side and invite newcomers to play the subgenerals. The larger
version of the game would allow for 2-3 sub generals per side, the
small version only one subgeneral per side. My main problem is with
ground scale.

I have already cut the battlefield down to just include what I
believe to be the most important aspects of the battle. I do not
think I can reduce it any further and keep the historical relevancy
of the terrain features. As it stands now I need to represent an
area 1.3 miles by 2.2 miles. Using the Warrior ground scale
(2.5ft/pace and 1 inch/25 paces) this translates into a wargame table
9 feet by 16 feet. With a little fudging (i.e. using 3 feet/pace and
rounding down) I can get the table to 8ft x 12ft.

I have also considered drastically increasing the men/figure ratio
and playing the game, albiet more along the lines of large scale DBA,
on a typical 6ft x 8ft table. I would then appropriatly reduce
everything try and just capture the impact of the various features of
the battle.

What would you rather play. A large scale game on the 8ft x 12 foot
table which would more realistically capture the battle or a more
representative game but on a smaller scale and on a smaller table?

My gut tell me to go with the smaller version. What do you think?

For what it's worth I feel the smaller table and a reduced representative
version
would be handled/played easier.

Dave(who hasn't played ancients in ages and wishes he was able to attend)
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From: "Tom Keegan" <jncsmom@...>
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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: [WarriorRules] Educated Opinions Please!


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> representative game but on a smaller scale and on a smaller table?
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[Jake Kovel]

Bigger is better, for demonstration purposes. I would suggest adjusting the
ground scale to make it 6' x 12', 8' is a little difficult to reach across.
Jacob Kovel

If the aim is to introduce new players and allow the C-in-C to act as
coach, the more newbies you get as subbies, the better! True,
several small battles will result but this is the aim of the thing,
not to worry about the end result. This frees up the C-in-C so he
does not need to command units directly (oooh, how historic) and the
bigger table will allow for spectators to get a good view.

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What would you rather play. A large scale game on the 8ft x 12 foot
table which would more realistically capture the battle or a more
representative game but on a smaller scale and on a smaller table?

My gut tell me to go with the smaller version. What do you think?

For what it's worth, I agree with Jacob on this. The purpose of a
demo is to attract new blood. And speaking from personal experience,
the first time I saw all those figs on the board and got the
opportunity to run a command all by myself, I was hooked. At this
level the last thing a newbee wants is to be locked and blocked into
a corner of the board with nothing to do for four hours. When all is
said and done, there's always time for "proper representation"
and "historical proportionality". From the outset, though, let'm
move lead!


Kevin S. Santos, Sr.



--- In WarriorRules@egroups.com, Eaglewars@a... wrote:
> Bigger is better, for demonstration purposes. I would suggest
adjusting the ground scale to make it 6' x 12', 8' is a little
difficult to reach across.
> Jacob Kovel

[Chris Bump]

Bigger is better. Fewer figures are more simple and will allow the
CiC to dedicate more attention to the new players, but its the
panoramic scenes from Spartacus and Gladiator that get new folks
excited first and typically interest in history second. Get em
hooked and then deal with logistics says I.

Chris
--- In WarriorRules@egroups.com, "Kevin Santos" <ksantos@n...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, I agree with Jacob on this. The purpose of a
> demo is to attract new blood. And speaking from personal
experience,
> the first time I saw all those figs on the board and got the
> opportunity to run a command all by myself, I was hooked. At this
> level the last thing a newbee wants is to be locked and blocked
into
> a corner of the board with nothing to do for four hours. When all
is
> said and done, there's always time for "proper representation"
> and "historical proportionality". From the outset, though, let'm
> move lead!
>
>
> Kevin S. Santos, Sr.
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@egroups.com, Eaglewars@a... wrote:
> > Bigger is better, for demonstration purposes. I would suggest
> adjusting the ground scale to make it 6' x 12', 8' is a little
> difficult to reach across.
> > Jacob Kovel