Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

I'm working my current army into the new Norman list. Below is my current
selection. Please feel free to look it over and comment. As you can see, I'm a
big fan of IrgA HC. I hope I did the math right, as this army tends towards
small. Below is the 1200pt army. This is the prefered scale in Florida. I'm
having some difficulty in getting the rest of the army into battle, so tactical
help is also welcome. THANKS! Wanax

CNC +5 IrgA HC L/sh 165

Sub +5 IrgA HC L/sh 105

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

8E IrgC HI/MI J/sh 153

6E IrgD MI B 49

6E IrgC LC J/sh 97

6E IrgC LHI J/sh 115

8E IrgC LI SS 49

6E IrgD LI B 37



13 units 1203



CNC

4x HC

1xLC

2xLI



Sub

1xHC

1xHI/MI J

1xLHI

1x MI B


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no commentary on my list below? I thought someone would have another view of
running this army.

Here is my tactical doctrine with this force: put LHI in a wood, place HI and
MI B on a flank to face mounted (inactive flank) supported by terrain (hopefully
containing the LHI), then manuver the LC and HC to the other flank; use LC to
pin enemy in place and absorbe missile fire...rally back, then screened by
expendable LI the HC manuver into position to punch all at once into a 5E wide
area of the enemy line. Crush or die :)

What happens when I run an army like this is that the MI B roll down on there
one shot, get hammered and rout, the LI don't detonate in place, so at least
some of the HC will charge through disordered, and the HI are left exposed and
unsupported. LHI usually get into a fight where both it and the enemy it fights
end up exhausted in the woods. Of course, the HC launch happens before I want
it to, because I can't find a way to keep them effectively screened and outside
of 240p while still able to support the LI inside 240p.

What I always think would be neat is to delay marching the HC until the second
bound, but I haven't found a way to do this without creating serious kinks in my
line.
Wanax

spocksleftball@... wrote:

I'm working my current army into the new Norman list. Below is my current
selection. Please feel free to look it over and comment. As you can see, I'm a
big fan of IrgA HC. I hope I did the math right, as this army tends towards
small. Below is the 1200pt army. This is the prefered scale in Florida. I'm
having some difficulty in getting the rest of the army into battle, so tactical
help is also welcome. THANKS! Wanax

CNC +5 IrgA HC L/sh 165

Sub +5 IrgA HC L/sh 105

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

2E IrgA HC L/sh 85

8E IrgC HI/MI J/sh 153

6E IrgD MI B 49

6E IrgC LC J/sh 97

6E IrgC LHI J/sh 115

8E IrgC LI SS 49

6E IrgD LI B 37



13 units 1203



CNC

4x HC

1xLC

2xLI



Sub

1xHC

1xHI/MI J

1xLHI

1x MI B


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[Greg Regets]

Spock ... & His Left Ball ...

I'm don't really fit into the catagory of list expert, but will offer a few
things based on a player in our area that is using Carolingian Frank, an army
not all that different from this one.

He is buying less HC and going for a more balanced approach buy purchasing more
LC and infantry. He is buying his MI JLS in sixteen figure units, running them
in column and spreading them across his line. Many here thought he was crazy
for doing this, but the end result has been that against most opponents, the
very guys that want to go after the MI JLS, are the guys he wants to go after
with his HC. It has also helped him soak off some of the missile fire that is
very hurtful to his HC.

For my own comments, I will offer two thoughts. First, your tactics seem sound,
but also seem very easy to spot, very early in the game. Rarely will you beat a
strong player when your intent is known so early in the game.

I also feel that since the advent of the 1/2 broken/shaken command retirement
rule, the use of "expendable" LI has lost some of its luster as a baseline
tactic. Trust me, I used to be a strong proponent of this tactic, but have come
off it as of late. I would suggest you cut a LI unit, cut your LC down to an 8-
figure unit, and purchase another 8-figure unit of LC (if this is allowed by
the list). You still have your expendable LI unit, but only one.

Lastly, I would buy another general. This only costs you 20 points, and will
give you the ability to deploy the bulk of your army (in particular your HC)
after the enemy has already deployed. I am quite sure that this statement will
get ripped to bits on this message board, but it is just my opinion.

At any rate ... this is all in good fun. List discussions always get you ripped
to bits (which is probably who nobody is responding), but I hope hearing an
alternative viewpoint has helped.

Thanks ...
G

Thanks and good comments that I will ponder. As for the number of HC, I've
taken the minimum. You're correct that my tactic is easy to spot, thus my
lament for trying to march the HC on the second bound and not the first. If
there were a way to do this...deploy behind the infantry for example...and not
get restricted to a 1/8 segment of board for doing so, then I'd do it. But
alas, I can't find a way to keep the HC from telegraphing my tactics. As for
the LI, I use them to shield the HC and the HC to support the LI. IIRC, in
Warrior, the LI will stop routing as soon as then go beyond 240p of a known
enemy and pass steady troops (HC). So the LI should stop routing and revert to
shaken in the next bound...hey half of 49 is less than 49 points :)

I would consider the smaller infantry units, but at 1200pt armies, that eats
seriously into my point totals at 25pt a pop. I've taken the maximum number of
LC without an ally command..again 1200pt precludes this when the minimum HC is
12E. Of your suggestions the reducing the size of LI units seems to be the best
concept...if caught they explode, if not I can charge around them. Of course I'm
now thinking 4E units of LI which is actually not a real point savings, but
still...

THANKS
Wanax

gar@... wrote:
Spock ... & His Left Ball ...

I'm don't really fit into the catagory of list expert, but will offer a few
things based on a player in our area that is using Carolingian Frank, an army
not all that different from this one.

He is buying less HC and going for a more balanced approach buy purchasing more
LC and infantry. He is buying his MI JLS in sixteen figure units, running them
in column and spreading them across his line. Many here thought he was crazy
for doing this, but the end result has been that against most opponents, the
very guys that want to go after the MI JLS, are the guys he wants to go after
with his HC. It has also helped him soak off some of the missile fire that is
very hurtful to his HC.

For my own comments, I will offer two thoughts. First, your tactics seem sound,
but also seem very easy to spot, very early in the game. Rarely will you beat a
strong player when your intent is known so early in the game.

I also feel that since the advent of the 1/2 broken/shaken command retirement
rule, the use of "expendable" LI has lost some of its luster as a baseline
tactic. Trust me, I used to be a strong proponent of this tactic, but have come
off it as of late. I would suggest you cut a LI unit, cut your LC down to an 8-
figure unit, and purchase another 8-figure unit of LC (if this is allowed by
the list). You still have your expendable LI unit, but only one.

Lastly, I would buy another general. This only costs you 20 points, and will
give you the ability to deploy the bulk of your army (in particular your HC)
after the enemy has already deployed. I am quite sure that this statement will
get ripped to bits on this message board, but it is just my opinion.

At any rate ... this is all in good fun. List discussions always get you ripped
to bits (which is probably who nobody is responding), but I hope hearing an
alternative viewpoint has helped.

Thanks ...
G


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 7/8/2003 10:35:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
spocksleftball@... writes:

> IIRC, in Warrior, the LI will stop routing as soon as then
> go beyond 240p of a known enemy and pass steady troops (HC).>>

The 'stopping troops' have to be steady close or loose order FOOT. 5.233