Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Let preface this post by saying that I do not own any
actual army books at this point and these issues may
be resolved therein. However, overlooking the FW army
lists, I made a few notes of historical detail that
should, if not adopted, at least be considered:

List # comment

16 Hittite. the hittites were famous for introducing
the heavy chariot. The Egyptians at Qedesh were
surprised by the heavy chariots enough to make note of
the "three man" weapons platform. Should be 2horse
Hch JLS & B?

26 Dark Age Greek. Vase fragments from this period
show men with both LTS and JLS and some bowmen mixed
in. Shouldn't LMI be LTS/JLS, Sh?

34 Kimmerians. No evedence of armor at all.
Shouldn't HC be MC?

58 through 64 & 66 Alex and direct successors. Wedging
companions are clearly described as a method of
manuver. Shouldn't all Companions armed with L get 1.5
ranks in charge?

131 Maurikian Byzantines. Strategekon notes that
skutatoi rear ranks as bowmen. Shouldn't skuts get a
second rank of MI B/sh?

264 Feudal Japan. Naganata and nagatina were used on
horseback by this time. Shouldn't HC have L as well
as LB? Also, doesn't LB fire over first rank of
Samurai with 2hcw?

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[scott holder]

16 Hittite. the hittites were famous for introducing
the heavy chariot. The Egyptians at Qedesh were
surprised by the heavy chariots enough to make note of
the "three man" weapons platform. Should be 2horse
Hch JLS & B?

>Hittite "snapshot" for FW taken from earlier period, hence, no HCh.
You can argue about where I took the "snapshot" but that's something for
list variations we might consider down the line.

26 Dark Age Greek. Vase fragments from this period
show men with both LTS and JLS and some bowmen mixed
in. Shouldn't LMI be LTS/JLS, Sh?

>Not according to the references I have. No evidence of "super
peltasts" of the period. The consensus still appears to be at JLS.
Again, changes can be made down the line should a wonderful laundry list
of sources I can examine be made available.

34 Kimmerians. No evedence of armor at all.
Shouldn't HC be MC?

>Nope.

58 through 64 & 66 Alex and direct successors. Wedging
companions are clearly described as a method of
manuver. Shouldn't all Companions armed with L get 1.5
ranks in charge?

>Rules state L-armed cav gets 1.5 ranks, no need to repeat that rule
here.

131 Maurikian Byzantines. Strategekon notes that
skutatoi rear ranks as bowmen. Shouldn't skuts get a
second rank of MI B/sh?

>See full list when you purchase DAW. Again, some limitations were made
on these lists and from what I've been told, skuts didn't always have
rear rank of bowmen, hence, they were not included here.

264 Feudal Japan. Naganata and nagatina were used on
horseback by this time. Shouldn't HC have L as well
as LB?

>No. According to the late Mike McGinnis, no evidence exists that
naginata-armed mounted samurai used them in anyway approaching a lance,
hence, not an option here.


Also, doesn't LB fire over first rank of
Samurai with 2hcw?

>Look at the list carefully and note that samurai foot are armed with
*both* 2HCW and LB. Rules are clear that rear rank of LB can fire over
front rank of LB also armed with LB. I'm assuming player will not mix B
and LB in a unit (in fact, I'll probably stipulate that in a later
clarification on this list).

--- "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...>
wrote:
> 16 Hittite. the hittites were famous for
> introducing
> the heavy chariot. The Egyptians at Qedesh were
> surprised by the heavy chariots enough to make note
> of
> the "three man" weapons platform. Should be 2horse
> Hch JLS & B?
>
> >Hittite "snapshot" for FW taken from earlier
> period, hence, no HCh.
> You can argue about where I took the "snapshot" but
> that's something for
> list variations we might consider down the line.

Gottcha, thought as much, but like I said without full
lists I couldn't verify. Lch are more useful at
2horse, but not much :)

>
> 26 Dark Age Greek. Vase fragments from this period
> show men with both LTS and JLS and some bowmen mixed
> in. Shouldn't LMI be LTS/JLS, Sh?
>
> >Not according to the references I have. No
> evidence of "super
> peltasts" of the period. The consensus still
> appears to be at JLS.
> Again, changes can be made down the line should a
> wonderful laundry list
> of sources I can examine be made available.

Not supper peltasts. Different weapons systems being
used simultaniously be different troops int eh line.
I'll see if I can't scan some images for the list.

>
> 34 Kimmerians. No evedence of armor at all.
> Shouldn't HC be MC?
>
> >Nope.

o.k., but from my limited reading, they were mostly
mounted skirmishing types--ala LC, yet we have no
descriptions, artifacts, or reasoning of historical
sugnificance. The natural assumption is a proto
Skythian.

>
> >Rules state L-armed cav gets 1.5 ranks, no need to
> repeat that rule
> here.

Ahha! Didn't look for that rules specificaly, but it
makes sense. It also bolsters those armies that
traditionally sucked because of their lance like Koryo
Korean I appologize for not memorizing the rules
completely.

>
> 131 Maurikian Byzantines. Strategekon notes that
> skutatoi rear ranks as bowmen. Shouldn't skuts get
> a
> second rank of MI B/sh?
>
> >See full list when you purchase DAW. Again, some
> limitations were made
> on these lists and from what I've been told, skuts
> didn't always have
> rear rank of bowmen, hence, they were not included
> here.

K. Again, I'm ordering that listbook today.

>
> 264 Feudal Japan. Naganata and nagatina were used
> on
> horseback by this time. Shouldn't HC have L as well
> as LB?
>
> >No. According to the late Mike McGinnis, no
> evidence exists that
> naginata-armed mounted samurai used them in anyway
> approaching a lance,
> hence, not an option here.

How would you represent the mounted 2HCT? Just a
questions, not a slight.

>
>
> Also, doesn't LB fire over first rank of
> Samurai with 2hcw?
>
> >Look at the list carefully and note that samurai
> foot are armed with
> *both* 2HCW and LB. Rules are clear that rear rank
> of LB can fire over
> front rank of LB also armed with LB. I'm assuming
> player will not mix B
> and LB in a unit (in fact, I'll probably stipulate
> that in a later
> clarification on this list).

I see where this is going! You actually want me to
comprehend what I'm reading. OK, my bad. Still would
like to see Samurai count sheilded to missile fire.

slinking back to my work
boyd


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