Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/20/2004 11:15:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
redcoat24@... writes:

> I think that somehow the distinction between the Mounted Ko
> and Mounted Chi should be eliminated.>>

I concur. It's just lance in game-formation-doctrine-effect terms.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/20/2004 11:15:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
redcoat24@... writes:

> I think that somehow the distinction between the Mounted Ko
> and Mounted Chi should be eliminated.>>

And we have a list rule for them where they dismount as 2HCT, though they pay L
cost in their mounted form.

[John Garlic]

Yeah, I use the NASAMW list as a basis for my army. Looking forward to these
new lists. Ch of course have never fallen out of favour with me - I just hope I
fall into competency with them. I've never really tried much with LCh, correct
me if I'm wrong, but as lights there is still a lot they just can't touch. As
far as modifying figures, right now I am looking at changing bases (ugh) for
some of the HI to LHI. I am mostly concerned about having to change back.

John Garlic

> They start as 4h LCh and can be made 4h HCh. This is because there is no
evidence of 2h chariots, but we have conflicting evidence of use for a scouting
role vice shock role. The list is split in three time periods and there are
less and less of them as the period progress because they went out of favor over
time.
>
> << Just curious how much modifying gotta do to my Han.>>
>
> Shouldn't have to do much if you have been using the NASAMW
> list.

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Gents,

This brings out an issue that I've long felt is overdue to speak of. I've
seen art of Darius II the Achemenid Persian "King of Kings" in his chariot with
Heavy/light cav around his command chariot. Now, it seems to me that any list
that would have chariots should also have horse mounted messengers to relay
important battlefield orders. This would only make sense. And to wish to
maintain a WRG mechanism that is clearly silly should be changed. Let's be
honest, if a King or Subgeneral were to send away valuable heavy chariots for
errand boy type work, his unit strength would be significantly reduced
considering a large amount of messages going back and forth.
If that argument doesn't sway you, then consider this. . . "Any chariot
list that includes a non chariot detachment may prompt in difficult terrain
whether a detachment is taken or not." This means that it is common practice to
have this type of troop nearby to be used as messengers. Now I'll put my armor
on and await people slamming me with a Steiner Recliner!

kelly

lilroblis@... wrote:
Gentlemen
I love the Han army, but seldom play it anymore because of issues like not
being able to get within an elements width of any rough feature in a charge (ie.
you cannot charge a unit with any of its base in the terrain) and the fact
that I cannot prompt into a wood, unless I dismount the unit and then do it,
which removes the generals ability to influence critical areas of the
battlefield.
As fighting troops I love chariots, you get units that if correctly used are
very competative, even though not overwhelming.
All the best
Robert


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[Tim Grimmett]

If I buy extra LC (I play Late Han) then I'll purchase the TuChueh as LC--as
IB-L/B/Sh they are the best LC in the game. Combined with a chariot unit, they
will take the waver for getting shot for two and force an opponent to make
difficult decisions with his (usually) uneasy LC.

I have evolved to a foot heavy Han army, dumping the IA convicts as they have
limited staying power.

You can go with a LC version of the Han in 15mm. I tried a LC version with
Hsuing Nu and Tu Chieh but found that in 25mm the army lacked punch and got
trounced in Fall In.

I've developed some other wrinkles I'll be trying at NICT, this army struggles
against Romans and I'm concerned that with Imperial Warrior out it could be
another long NICT (maybe not with the new 2-day format).

Of course I'm the guy that showed up with Illyrians gambling that there would be
a lot of elephants out there. I saw nothing but SHK and Romans.

Tim


Allan Lougheed <redcoat24@...> wrote:
Tim, what kind of Han force do you use in the shooty/skirmishing style, do
you take many Hsiung-nu? or is it all done with infantry?

I like what you said about the LCh.
Thanks
Allan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Grimmett" <grimmetttim@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Han Chariots




Regarding Han chariots.

I've gone HCh heavy (with Subgeneral to keep impetous), but find that
reliance on chariots as a strike force changes the way I played from a
shooting/skirmish army to a close and kill army. It didn't work out to my
satisfaction. Besides those otherwise worthless HC/L can play the finisher
role.

Lately I've taken the minimum HCh and gone with the LCh (2x2). They can
charge anything, break-off if the charge doesn't work, and evade if things
get stupid.

Operating in between foot units, they force LMI/LHI that would otherwise
skirmish to make a difficult decision and the unease they cause is well
worth 54 points.

Tim









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Thanks Tim, I'll keep that in mind.
Allan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Grimmett" <grimmetttim@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Han Chariots


If I buy extra LC (I play Late Han) then I'll purchase the TuChueh as LC--as
IB-L/B/Sh they are the best LC in the game. Combined with a chariot unit,
they will take the waver for getting shot for two and force an opponent to
make difficult decisions with his (usually) uneasy LC.

I have evolved to a foot heavy Han army, dumping the IA convicts as they
have limited staying power.

You can go with a LC version of the Han in 15mm. I tried a LC version with
Hsuing Nu and Tu Chieh but found that in 25mm the army lacked punch and got
trounced in Fall In.

I've developed some other wrinkles I'll be trying at NICT, this army
struggles against Romans and I'm concerned that with Imperial Warrior out
it could be another long NICT (maybe not with the new 2-day format).

Of course I'm the guy that showed up with Illyrians gambling that there
would be a lot of elephants out there. I saw nothing but SHK and Romans.

Tim


Allan Lougheed <redcoat24@...> wrote:
Tim, what kind of Han force do you use in the shooty/skirmishing style, do
you take many Hsiung-nu? or is it all done with infantry?

I like what you said about the LCh.
Thanks
Allan