Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Ahem. [This is why I am rules guy]

Scott, we went to LTS not taking the -2 from pike in 7.6.

I quote from 7.6 changes:

Pg 33 para 12 line 2-3: delete and replace with "If at first contact and facing
non-impetuous pike or LTS-armed steady foot unless steady foot using HTW, pike
or non-impetuous LTS."

Note the last two words. Warrior is the same here as 7.6. Steady,
non-impetuous LTS hasn't been taking the -2 from pike since the 7.6 revision.

Sorry I missed this part of the email exchange from this morning, or I would
have intervened.

Go back to lists. :)

Jon

[joncleaves]

Ahem, I will repeat the rule AGAIN (third time today by my count) here:

WRG 7.6 version:
"Deduct 2: If at first contact and facing non-impetuous pike or LTS-armed steady
foot unless steady foot using
HTW, pike or non-impetuous LTS."

Warrior version:
"Deduct 2: If at first contact and facing non-impetuous or LTS armed steady foot
(unless steady foot using HTW, P, or non-impetuous LTS).

LTS that are steady and not impetuous do NOT take the -2 from P or LTS.

Sing along with me.
J

[Greg Regets]

Deduct 2:
If at first contact and facing non-impetuous P or LTS armed steady foot
(unless steady foot using HTW, P, or non-impetuous LTS).

>The LTS do take the -2 which is why people play pike armies and not
hoplites:) Aside from the all the other "balance" issues between the
two
types of armies, pikes whomp hoplites assuming no odd swing of the dice.

>>>GREG>>> Wait a minute, you are confusing me (not hard to do). Why would
the LTS take the -2 against pikes in this example. It says "unless steady
foot using HTW, P, or non-impetuous LTS". That means Hoplites would be
exempt from the -2, right?

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[scott holder]

Somebody else answer this. I don't have 7th in front of me and no time to
peruse Warrior to see if the Rules Ho made a change.


>>> greg@... 5/15/01 9:48:00 AM >>>
Deduct 2:
If at first contact and facing non-impetuous P or LTS armed steady foot
(unless steady foot using HTW, P, or non-impetuous LTS).

>The LTS do take the -2 which is why people play pike armies and not
hoplites:) Aside from the all the other "balance" issues between the
two
types of armies, pikes whomp hoplites assuming no odd swing of the dice.

>>>GREG>>> Wait a minute, you are confusing me (not hard to do). Why would
the LTS take the -2 against pikes in this example. It says "unless steady
foot using HTW, P, or non-impetuous LTS". That means Hoplites would be
exempt from the -2, right?

Greg










































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[Greg Regets]

This was a good change. Sure, the REG,LTS guys will normally lose to the
pikes, but they can last a while. Once you get to the IRR, LTS guys, all
bets are off. A 32 figure REG,C,MI,P,Sh unit costs 138pts. A 16 figure
IRR,C,HI,LTS,Sh unit costs 105pts. The -2 in the first bound is cancelled by
charge/impetuous. Both units fight with 16 figures. The pikes will win due
to fatigue, but it takes a while, and after both units are tired every +1
roll by the LTS causes a waver for disorder due to 3xH-T-H. I have played
this matchup many times, and the LTS comes out ahead about 65% of the time.
The pikes need an +2 dice advantage over the LTS to get the follow-up bonus
in next bound. If they get it, the LTS is screwed. If not, the fight
normally goes to the LTS. If the pikes are D's (which would make them cost
106, level with the LTS's 105), the LTS wins almost every time.

Greg ~who just told you the obvious~

On Tue, 15 May 2001 JonCleaves@... wrote:

> Ahem. [This is why I am rules guy]
>
> Scott, we went to LTS not taking the -2 from pike in 7.6.
>

Ahem. This doesn't address the original question. Does LTS take the -2
from LTS? My understanding is that it does, but I've been wrong before.


Mark

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