Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/8/2003 21:43:28 Central Daylight Time,
eforbes100@... writes:

> Could you expand on your thought here? I would think that in almost all
> cases you would have to stop marches at 240.
>

Sure.

You don't want certain marches to end at 240p - you want them to end at
something greater, say between 241p and 320p.

The most common example is the mounted unit you are going to charge the
enemy's LMI unit with. If you end at 240p, he moves 120p in approach and now
you are in his charge range and he can charge you impetuously (or you have to
counter/retire successfully if regular or able to skirmish, provided orders
allow). If you end at > 240p, you can approach after him (he's foot, you're
mounted) and be at >120p. Then you catch him standing and force the waver.

I focus my new players on this interaction. Teaching them how to avoid/make
sure they make LMI charges brings all the key rules to play (impetuous,
cancelled charges, counters/retirements, wavers, unease, orders...) and it
quickly elevates their game.

It's also how Mike Turner and I won the Cold Wars Teams last year. Seems
some veterans don't know how to work all that....lol

J


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/8/2003 22:24:20 Central Daylight Time,
eforbes100@... writes:

> If both setup on the start line, they are at 480 and are in range to do
> an approach move turn one. If slower troops are facing faster troops, the
> slower troops should take the approach if you can ( and want the
> movement), as you will be locked out of marches. I always set my faster
> troops a little back from the start line if I do not want my opponent to
> have the option of an approach on turn one.
>

Excellent point. I hope no one here in Kansas is listening....I haven't
taught this one yet..lol


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In a message dated 5/8/2003 10:26:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:

>
> Excellent point. I hope no one here in Kansas is listening....I haven't
> taught this one yet..lol

Those of us in Missouri are definatley taking notes.

Todd


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/8/2003 22:29:49 Central Daylight Time,
Thresh1642@... writes:

> Those of us in Missouri are definatley taking notes.
>
> Todd
>

Damn. I knew you'd be first....


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[Ed Forbes]

On Thu, 8 May 2003 07:40:52 EDT JonCleaves@... writes:

> Too often people just throw their stuff across the table without
regard
> for the end distances and/or just assume that they have to end 240p
from the
> enemy.
>
> J

Jon,

Could you expand on your thought here? I would think that in almost all
cases you would have to stop marches at 240.

Marches can not go closer than 240 to known enemy. If enemy becomes
known, the march ends at the point they become known (6.2).

A enemy is known if visible to the body in question, visible to any
friendly unit within 240 of the body, or enemy was seen within 240 of the
body previously (1.26).

Ed

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I'm sorry, but don't the rules state that the march ends at the point
that you are at 240p?

If you really don't have stop when you reach that distance why does
the rule say that you do.

This appears to be rules lawyering at its worst. Please elucidate!

Scott Turner

At 10:59 PM -0400 5/8/03, JonCleaves@... wrote:
>In a message dated 5/8/2003 21:43:28 Central Daylight Time,
>eforbes100@... writes:
>
>> Could you expand on your thought here? I would think that in almost all
>> cases you would have to stop marches at 240.
>>
>
>Sure.
>
>You don't want certain marches to end at 240p - you want them to end at
>something greater, say between 241p and 320p.
>
>The most common example is the mounted unit you are going to charge the
>enemy's LMI unit with. If you end at 240p, he moves 120p in approach and now
>you are in his charge range and he can charge you impetuously (or you have to
>counter/retire successfully if regular or able to skirmish, provided orders
>allow). If you end at > 240p, you can approach after him (he's foot, you're
>mounted) and be at >120p. Then you catch him standing and force the waver.
>
>I focus my new players on this interaction. Teaching them how to avoid/make
>sure they make LMI charges brings all the key rules to play (impetuous,
>cancelled charges, counters/retirements, wavers, unease, orders...) and it
>quickly elevates their game.
>
>It's also how Mike Turner and I won the Cold Wars Teams last year. Seems
>some veterans don't know how to work all that....lol
>
>J
>
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[Ed Forbes]

Ok Jon,
I thought you implied that you could get closer than 240 easily in a
march.

On this same note on paying attention to distance, those starting out
with FW need to pay attention to their setup.

If both setup on the start line, they are at 480 and are in range to do
an approach move turn one. If slower troops are facing faster troops, the
slower troops should take the approach if you can ( and want the
movement), as you will be locked out of marches. I always set my faster
troops a little back from the start line if I do not want my opponent to
have the option of an approach on turn one.

Ed

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Thresh1642@... wrote:In a message dated 5/8/2003 10:26:42 PM Central
Daylight Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:

>
> Excellent point. I hope no one here in Kansas is listening....I haven't
> taught this one yet..lol

Those of us in Missouri are definatley taking notes.

Todd


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/9/2003 07:15:34 Central Daylight Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> do not understand this. In FW 25mm the central sector is 24 inches or
> 609.6mm. Since 1mm = 1p, you start 609p apart. How could you be
> approaching in bound 1? In 15mm the central sector is 18 inches. In this
> scale 1 inch = 40p so you start 720p apart. Am I missing something here?
>
> Don
>

Yes. Central SECTOR is 24/18 inches ACROSS. But the forward ZONE isn't that
deep........

I am surprised at you, Don. ;)


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[Don Coon]

> On this same note on paying attention to distance, those starting out
> with FW need to pay attention to their setup.
>
> If both setup on the start line, they are at 480 and are in range to do
> an approach move turn one. If slower troops are facing faster troops, the
> slower troops should take the approach if you can ( and want the
> movement), as you will be locked out of marches. I always set my faster
> troops a little back from the start line if I do not want my opponent to
> have the option of an approach on turn one.

I do not understand this. In FW 25mm the central sector is 24 inches or
609.6mm. Since 1mm = 1p, you start 609p apart. How could you be
approaching in bound 1? In 15mm the central sector is 18 inches. In this
scale 1 inch = 40p so you start 720p apart. Am I missing something here?

Don

[Don Coon]

> I'm sorry, but don't the rules state that the march ends at the point
> that you are at 240p?
>
> If you really don't have stop when you reach that distance why does
> the rule say that you do.
>
> This appears to be rules lawyering at its worst. Please elucidate!

You are just reading it inside out. While you must stop at 240p per the
rules of course, there is no rule that says you can not stop BEFORE you get
to 240p. If you are working against loose order infantry with mounted, it
behooves you to engineer your marches so you DO NOT get all the way to 240p.
You do this several ways, none of which I will go into here.

Don

[Don Coon]

>
> Yes. Central SECTOR is 24/18 inches ACROSS. But the forward ZONE isn't
that
> deep........
>
> I am surprised at you, Don. ;)

DOH! Can we delete that post from the archives . How deep is the rear
zone? (rules at home sorry). In big boy warrior its 240p right?

Don

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/9/2003 9:44:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> DOH! Can we delete that post from the archives . >>

Just so we all know we are all human...

<< How deep is the rear zone? (rules at home sorry). In big boy warrior its
240p right?>>

It is 240p in both Warrior and Fast Warrior

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/9/2003 9:44:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> DOH! Can we delete that post from the archives . >>

Just so we all know we are all human...

<< How deep is the rear zone? (rules at home sorry). In big boy warrior its
240p right?>>

It is 240p in both Warrior and Fast Warrior

[Don Coon]

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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] marches: ending at 240?


> << How deep is the rear zone? (rules at home sorry). In big boy warrior
its 240p right?>>
>
> It is 240p in both Warrior and Fast Warrior

So in 25mm you are actually inside 480p at setup (3 foot board depth =
914mm - 480mm for 2 rear zones = 434mm. 1p = 1mm).

Don