Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

Warning: the following email might be construed as surly, it's not, I'm
simply being "dry" in my humor. I save "surly" for the conventions I
umpire:):)

Okay, this philisophical treatise applies equally to Warrior the Rules
as well as Warrior Army lists.

First, repeat the Yoda instructions after me:

"Unlearn what you have learned".

It appears that many of us perhaps haven't read the rules as carefully
(understandably considering their length and complexity) as we should in
a short space of time. Don't assume that something done in that "other
set" of rules applies here, *particularly* if it's one of those
wonderful "umperial" oral thingies that sprang from my mouth for 13
years. Everybody, there are a ton of minor changes in Warrior that will
definitely come back to bite you in the beeeehind unless you are
reasonably well versed in the rules. Heh heh, Cold Wars is gonna be
fuuuuuun:):)

The same applies for lists. Some people *still* feel it's "acceptable"
to mix troop types from different lines despite the fact that for the
better part of 10 years now (for that other set of rules) I've said that
the only troops that can mix are those specified in lists, have the
"same name" (a throwback to an original Kruse Smith interp), or
something like "knights/sergeants" specifically in Book III. *Nothing*
else can mix despite what former NICT champions might say:):)

Please look in Biblical Warrior under the General Concepts section.
It's really really really important that you look at those General
Concepts in every army list book because they contain very very very
important details about how army lists must be constructed. Look at the
last sentence on Page 4 under the General Comments section:

"Unless otherwise specified in a list, troops on different lines cannot
be organized into the same unit or body."

Heh heh, doesn't leave a lot of room for "interpretation" now does it?
Therefore, the Sea Peoples list isn't particularly "unclear" in terms of
whether or not Sea Peoples Warriors and Sea Peoples Followers can fight
in mixed units. Since there is nothing in the list notes that says "Sea
Peoples Warriors and Followers may fight in mixed units", *and* the
aforementioned quote on Page 4 is pretty clear, I would think that said
Sea Peoples can't fight in mixed units:):)

You'll see something awfully similar in Dark Age Warrior on Thursday
when you all rush to Silver Eagle to purchase your copy:):)

*leaving pedantic mode*

Please remember that if you have any questions about old lists currently
in use and whether or not certain troops types can mix, please post your
question here and as NASAMW Warrior Umpire, I will give you an
on-the-spot answer.

I also appreciate everybody's patience as we slowly replace the
hodge-podge of old lists and associated "interpretations" and move into
the clean, new and improved Warrior lists.

Thanks for your understanding. I remain your humble and obedient
servant,

Scott
List Ho

A tad more polite than my "NO! Dam* yer eyes!", but just as emphatic.
How about if the "Warriors" have an option to upgrade up to 1/2 as Irr A
from Irr B?
And in another anomaly, the Sea Persons in the NKE list have the option to
upgrade half of the LMI to LHI, but they do not have this option in their
own list.
In each of these cases, can that line item troop form mixed units? I ask
this because I would not call the upgrade option a separate line item. They
are the same troop, as far as I can see.
I am not trying to annoy the List Ho here. Even though I am not in the
tournament thing at this point, Mark and Jim keep nudging me, and I
certainly do not wish to offend the List Ho's secret identity, the Umpire
Ho!
I don't mind surly. Just don't spit food as you scream.

John Carroll



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holder, Scott <FHWA> [mailto:Scott.Holder@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 9:10 PM
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> Subject: [WarriorRules] Mixing units
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> Warning: the following email might be construed as surly, it's not, I'm
> simply being "dry" in my humor. I save "surly" for the conventions I
> umpire:)
>
> Okay, this philisophical treatise applies equally to Warrior the Rules
> as well as Warrior Army lists.
>
> First, repeat the Yoda instructions after me:
>
> "Unlearn what you have learned".
>
> It appears that many of us perhaps haven't read the rules as carefully
> (understandably considering their length and complexity) as we should in
> a short space of time. Don't assume that something done in that "other
> set" of rules applies here, *particularly* if it's one of those
> wonderful "umperial" oral thingies that sprang from my mouth for 13
> years. Everybody, there are a ton of minor changes in Warrior that will
> definitely come back to bite you in the beeeehind unless you are
> reasonably well versed in the rules. Heh heh, Cold Wars is gonna be
> fuuuuuun:)
>
> The same applies for lists. Some people *still* feel it's "acceptable"
> to mix troop types from different lines despite the fact that for the
> better part of 10 years now (for that other set of rules) I've said that
> the only troops that can mix are those specified in lists, have the
> "same name" (a throwback to an original Kruse Smith interp), or
> something like "knights/sergeants" specifically in Book III. *Nothing*
> else can mix despite what former NICT champions might say:)
>
> Please look in Biblical Warrior under the General Concepts section.
> It's really really really important that you look at those General
> Concepts in every army list book because they contain very very very
> important details about how army lists must be constructed. Look at the
> last sentence on Page 4 under the General Comments section:
>
> "Unless otherwise specified in a list, troops on different lines cannot
> be organized into the same unit or body."
>
> Heh heh, doesn't leave a lot of room for "interpretation" now does it?
> Therefore, the Sea Peoples list isn't particularly "unclear" in terms of
> whether or not Sea Peoples Warriors and Sea Peoples Followers can fight
> in mixed units. Since there is nothing in the list notes that says "Sea
> Peoples Warriors and Followers may fight in mixed units", *and* the
> aforementioned quote on Page 4 is pretty clear, I would think that said
> Sea Peoples can't fight in mixed units:)
>
> You'll see something awfully similar in Dark Age Warrior on Thursday
> when you all rush to Silver Eagle to purchase your copy:)
>
> *leaving pedantic mode*
>
> Please remember that if you have any questions about old lists currently
> in use and whether or not certain troops types can mix, please post your
> question here and as NASAMW Warrior Umpire, I will give you an
> on-the-spot answer.
>
> I also appreciate everybody's patience as we slowly replace the
> hodge-podge of old lists and associated "interpretations" and move into
> the clean, new and improved Warrior lists.
>
> Thanks for your understanding. I remain your humble and obedient
> servant,
>
> Scott
> List Ho
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[scott holder]

A tad more polite than my "NO! Dam* yer eyes!", but just as emphatic.
How about if the "Warriors" have an option to upgrade up to 1/2 as Irr A
from Irr B?
And in another anomaly, the Sea Persons in the NKE list have the option
to
upgrade half of the LMI to LHI, but they do not have this option in
their
own list.
In each of these cases, can that line item troop form mixed units? I
ask
this because I would not call the upgrade option a separate line item.
They
are the same troop, as far as I can see.

>That is absolutely correct. Upgrading something with armor doesn't
qualify as a "seperate line" issue. Same thing applies to Irr A/B
upgrades.

>Will go back and review the whole "armor in one list but not in
another" issue as it pertains to the mighty Sea Peoples.

Scott
List Ho