Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

Drum roll puh leeeeeeze.

New World Warrior, the FREE, lemme repeat that, FREE army list book is now
available online either at the yahoogroups files site or directly from
www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com.

This book contains just 8 army lists but it is 30+ pages long depending on page
size. Nobody else, repeat nobody else in ancients/medievals would provide this
much stuff for free. You're gonna learn everything there is to learn about the
era.

We've invested a ton of time in this project for a variety of reasons. First,
Bill and I share a passion for this location and era. Second, work done at the
wargaming level, to date, has been woefully inadequate in terms of depth of
research and characterization of the armies in question. When I first stumbled
onto Ross Hassig's works over ten years ago, I knew that at some point, a
careful examination of the armies would need to be done. Since then, scholarly
work has exploded on this period and we've benefitted from that. Thus, we've
put everything currently available into making these lists as detailed and
accurate (in terms of how we interpret the record) as any you'll find.

Bill invested a ton of time and money (heh heh, buying books) that enabled us to
look at the codices ourselves and balance them with the scholarly work done to
date. Because this is a period people know little about and what they do know
tends to be wildly innacurate, we really wanted to produce a product that gave
people a detailed view at South and Mesoamerican armies plus the history behind
those armies.

One of the "review staff" really really ripped us for even bothering. His
attitude was that these pseudo-paleolithic cultures didn't warrant any army
lists much less the amount of time and effort spent on developing these. On one
level, I agree with him. I mean it is a stretch to see how even a relatively
advanced milatiristic culture like the Inca's or Aztecs could have stood up to a
sizeable old world (be it eastern or western) army assuming there were no
diseases or other factors that enabled the Spanish to conquer these peoples
seemingly with ease. However, we feel these lists *should* be updated. That
horse was let out of the barn 20 years ago with the publication of the original
Aztec and Inca lists in the old (now FHE) WRG army list books. There are
figures aplenty available and a generation or two of gamers have grown up
expecting to play such armies. Far be it for us to eliminate that. Moreover,
with the inclusion of 8 armies, players can use Warrior to play New World on New
World games at the level of detail not found anywhere else.

One thing that you're going to see is something our critical reviewer called the
"Aztec Legionaire". Believe me, that was a deliberate effort on our part. This
is an example of what research clearly showed was lacking in other portrayals of
certain New World armies. Moreover, by working out many of the theoretical bugs
here, we've laid the groundwork for how certain Roman troop types will be
handled in Imperial and Classical Warrior. The new weapon category, 1HCW,
really really really solves a load of problems in the New World and in the Roman
World as well. I'm not saying at this point that 1HCW will be used exactly the
way it is now in a Roman context but it points in that direction.

These are not "easy" armies. We went round and round and round on how new
players might be daunted by organizing them. We've streamlined the lists as much
as possible without sacrificing their historical quality but they remain, like
the Byzantine lists, somewhat daunting to the newcomer. This is probably a
reflection of the amount of research material available to me and Bill and the
time we spent on it, not unlike Paul G's approach to the Byzantines. I look at
it this way, a new player should probably take an army that's certainly easier
to use. Once the game is mastered (heh heh, like this game is ever mastered),
then one can move onward and upward. There's nothing wrong with complex lists,
that was an interesting angle in TOG. Players would get into it hearing
everybody say how godlike LIR were and then discover how hard it was to
effectively run LIR unless you knew the rules really well and were an
experienced player. Several of the NWW lists have that same flavor. Others are
no more complex than others found in Warrior land.

Although available FREE for download, we'll also have copies for sale at Cold
Wars for those who forgot to download them and just hafta have a copy. We'll
probably charge $5 or something for them complete with a color "cover".

The two sizes reflect the standard Warrior army list book size should you want
to cut down the pages to be consistent and the other is one that prints on a
standard piece of paper. Actually they both print on standard letter sized
paper but the "smaller" one will obviously not fit the entire page.

Please go out and purchase our other army list books if you haven't yet. FHE is
moronically committed to supporting these rules as shown by the amazing amount
of time we've put into a FREE product.

Sometime in the next week or three, I'll be publishing the updated Supercession
list. Henceforth, don't bring no old Aztecs or steenkin "new" Aztecs to any
show I ump:) What you do at the local level is entirely up to you.

Oh yeah, you'll note that the FW New World armies haven't changed. They won't
for the time being. In fact, they provide probably an older, more simplistic
view of these armies that can still have a place at the gaming table.
Nonetheless, anything you use in FW will find a place in a Warrior NWW list.

Finally, sooooo much of the credit here goes to Bill who took my original 8
draft lists and went gonzo with them.

Well, gotta go buy Conquistadors. Jon and I wanna run a Cortez-led Tlaxcallan
army at teams next year:) Also gotta rebase *some* of my 25mm Aztecs.

Scott

[Harlan Garrett]

Thanks Scott for your hard work!

Harlan
-----Original Message-----
From: Holder, Scott [mailto:Scott.Holder@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 12:32 PM
To: warriorrules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [WarriorRules] New World Warrior now online!!!!!!!


Drum roll puh leeeeeeze.

New World Warrior, the FREE, lemme repeat that, FREE army list book is now
available online either at the yahoogroups files site or directly from
www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com.

This book contains just 8 army lists but it is 30+ pages long depending on
page size. Nobody else, repeat nobody else in ancients/medievals would
provide this much stuff for free. You're gonna learn everything there is to
learn about the era.

We've invested a ton of time in this project for a variety of reasons.
First, Bill and I share a passion for this location and era. Second, work
done at the wargaming level, to date, has been woefully inadequate in terms
of depth of research and characterization of the armies in question. When I
first stumbled onto Ross Hassig's works over ten years ago, I knew that at
some point, a careful examination of the armies would need to be done.
Since then, scholarly work has exploded on this period and we've benefitted
from that. Thus, we've put everything currently available into making these
lists as detailed and accurate (in terms of how we interpret the record) as
any you'll find.

Bill invested a ton of time and money (heh heh, buying books) that enabled
us to look at the codices ourselves and balance them with the scholarly work
done to date. Because this is a period people know little about and what
they do know tends to be wildly innacurate, we really wanted to produce a
product that gave people a detailed view at South and Mesoamerican armies
plus the history behind those armies.

One of the "review staff" really really ripped us for even bothering. His
attitude was that these pseudo-paleolithic cultures didn't warrant any army
lists much less the amount of time and effort spent on developing these. On
one level, I agree with him. I mean it is a stretch to see how even a
relatively advanced milatiristic culture like the Inca's or Aztecs could
have stood up to a sizeable old world (be it eastern or western) army
assuming there were no diseases or other factors that enabled the Spanish to
conquer these peoples seemingly with ease. However, we feel these lists
*should* be updated. That horse was let out of the barn 20 years ago with
the publication of the original Aztec and Inca lists in the old (now FHE)
WRG army list books. There are figures aplenty available and a generation
or two of gamers have grown up expecting to play such armies. Far be it for
us to eliminate that. Moreover, with the inclusion of 8 armies, players can
use Warrior to play New World on New World games at the level of detail not
found anywhere else.

One thing that you're going to see is something our critical reviewer called
the "Aztec Legionaire". Believe me, that was a deliberate effort on our
part. This is an example of what research clearly showed was lacking in
other portrayals of certain New World armies. Moreover, by working out many
of the theoretical bugs here, we've laid the groundwork for how certain
Roman troop types will be handled in Imperial and Classical Warrior. The
new weapon category, 1HCW, really really really solves a load of problems in
the New World and in the Roman World as well. I'm not saying at this point
that 1HCW will be used exactly the way it is now in a Roman context but it
points in that direction.

These are not "easy" armies. We went round and round and round on how new
players might be daunted by organizing them. We've streamlined the lists as
much as possible without sacrificing their historical quality but they
remain, like the Byzantine lists, somewhat daunting to the newcomer. This
is probably a reflection of the amount of research material available to me
and Bill and the time we spent on it, not unlike Paul G's approach to the
Byzantines. I look at it this way, a new player should probably take an
army that's certainly easier to use. Once the game is mastered (heh heh,
like this game is ever mastered), then one can move onward and upward.
There's nothing wrong with complex lists, that was an interesting angle in
TOG. Players would get into it hearing everybody say how godlike LIR were
and then discover how hard it was to effectively run LIR unless you knew the
rules really well and were an experienced player. Several of the NWW lists
have that same flavor. Others are no more complex than others found in
Warrior land.

Although available FREE for download, we'll also have copies for sale at
Cold Wars for those who forgot to download them and just hafta have a copy.
We'll probably charge $5 or something for them complete with a color
"cover".

The two sizes reflect the standard Warrior army list book size should you
want to cut down the pages to be consistent and the other is one that prints
on a standard piece of paper. Actually they both print on standard letter
sized paper but the "smaller" one will obviously not fit the entire page.

Please go out and purchase our other army list books if you haven't yet.
FHE is moronically committed to supporting these rules as shown by the
amazing amount of time we've put into a FREE product.

Sometime in the next week or three, I'll be publishing the updated
Supercession list. Henceforth, don't bring no old Aztecs or steenkin "new"
Aztecs to any show I ump:) What you do at the local level is entirely
up to you.

Oh yeah, you'll note that the FW New World armies haven't changed. They
won't for the time being. In fact, they provide probably an older, more
simplistic view of these armies that can still have a place at the gaming
table. Nonetheless, anything you use in FW will find a place in a Warrior
NWW list.

Finally, sooooo much of the credit here goes to Bill who took my original 8
draft lists and went gonzo with them.

Well, gotta go buy Conquistadors. Jon and I wanna run a Cortez-led
Tlaxcallan army at teams next year:) Also gotta rebase *some* of my 25mm
Aztecs.

Scott


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[scott holder]

Thanks Scott for your hard work!

>Also thank Bill, he worked harder on this.

[joncleaves]

My ever eloquent horse-brother could always benefit from some clarification.

> Henceforth, don't bring no old Aztecs or steenkin "new" Aztecs to any show I
ump:) What you do at the local level is entirely up to you.>>

He isn't talking about the FHE NWW Aztecs in the above. If you don't know what
he means by 'steenkin "new" Aztecs', don't worry yourself about it.

> Finally, sooooo much of the credit here goes to Bill who took my original 8
draft lists and went gonzo with them.>>

As someone only involved in checking these lists for rules issues (as I have NO
historical expertise in this area), I am amazed by all the work Scott, Bill,
Todd and Frank, et al put into these. Scott sounds like he's crowing about this
free product and he is right to do so. We are very proud of this achievement.

> Well, gotta go buy Conquistadors. Jon and I wanna run a Cortez-led Tlaxcallan
army at teams next year:)>>

I already have half the army in 15's and we'll be claiming a lot of land for
Spain next year....

Remember, disease and Europeans didn't conquer Mesoamerica - other Mesoamericans
did....lol

Jon 'Cortez' Cleaves

[Kelly Wilkinson]

Bill,
Thanks for all you do for the hobby. You are a gentleman and unlike the
other horsemen(myself included), you don't need an act of congress to qualify in
that category! Thank you for your efforts to make our hobby so much better than
it was!
Kelly



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