Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Fellow Warriors

I am not the list rule guru here at FHE. But I can tell you this.

If we were going to add a list rule retroactively to a published list book,
it would only be done so after an extensive review of the facts surrounding the
case. If someone is going to make that case, it would be ever so much more
helpful if it came with the history. I know some like to continue to hammer at
an issue here, and it's a yahoo group, so that is to be expected. But I
can't sit by and let a few make it sound like we aren't listening - especially
when so much of my time is spent listening and responding to players'
concerns here.

However, we all, and myself especially, are not disposed to react to the
tyranny of the vocal minority. There are 320+ members on this group - some of
whom post here, some of whom choose to do it directly to my personal email.
There are more Warrior players who choose not to be members of this forum but
who
communicate with us 'offline'. There are more still who do neither. We care
for all of you and want to give you the best game possible. But we will not
take actions simply because one or two or five or ten players clamor for it
here. And the action with the highest standard for evidence before we'd take it
would be a change to an army list book.

IF there is evidence out there that none of us or our list reviewers have
that a particular troop type acted in a way not modeled by the Warrior rules
plus
the list rules present in that troop's list, we will ALWAYS review that
evidence and make an informed decision.

I know, for example, that some of you have discussed the possibility that
Varangian Guard who are classed as regular do not perform in Warrior the way
they
did against historical opponents. I know that some of you have crafted your
mails on this subject to make it sound like this is a universally accepted
fact that the simpletons at FHE somehow missed. This is not an accurate
representation of reality, however, and I can't just sit here and let it go on.

People who know the period to an extraordinary academic standard and have
been simulating it in games for many years have not raised this as an issue at
any point I am aware of. The folks who think it should be changed have not yet
offered any direct historical evidence of troop on troop battles where regular
Varangians clearly won without influence of outside factors against troops
they cannot beat within a statistical standard deviation in Warrior's combat
mechanics. While we at FHE wait for such evidence to arrive so we can consider
this issue, we continue to have to listen to (and we do listen and we do take
that listening seriously) those who think that since we haven't responded with
an immediate 'fix' we must not 'get it'. This despite the fact that no case
has yet been mde for change.

There are as many 'opinions' of who should beat whom in Warrior as there are
troop types. We are not going to respond to every opinion offered here and we
are never going to make any kind of change or clarification just because the
requester keeps at it vocally. That would be chaos and a disservice to our
playership. It is also a feature of other game systems that caused us to leave
them and form FHE in the first place.

For the majority of you listening in, rest assured that we at FHE aren't
going to knee-jerk react to every (or any) request sent us to change how Warrior
or a given list works. Any such change will only come after considered review
of the historical case and no change will be made to the core structure of the
Warrior rules themselves.

For those of you wishing a change to a list or list rule be made - please
continue to make such requests, but please also direct us to the historical
record upon which your request is based. If we don't immediately attend to your
wishes and enact your will, please do not take it personally - we may not agree
with your interpretation and disagreement is not disrespect.

Have an awesome Fourth!

Jon


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[scott holder]

Paul has said this best. FWIW, I felt his interpretation of Varangians fell
well into how I look and interpret what historical record exists on certain
troops types. If I had had any questions, Paul and I woulda hashed out
something but given the record as it stands, what you see indicates no questions
came up.

At this juncture, Varangians won't change. As Jon indicated, if some specific
references can be thrown in front of me, I'll be glad to review them and bounce
them off of Paul but I seriously doubt anything brought up hasnt' already been
considered by Paul. But, I can certainly file it for future work, *after* all
the other list books are done.

Please remember, much of this work is very interpretative in nature and I don't
always expect others to agree with how FHE's published lists interpret the
historical record.

Again, please fell free to send me something offlist. I won't guarantee
anything will change but I will examine it in detail at some point down the
line.

Scott
List Ho


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