Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Bill Chriss · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1000 Location: Texas

After 20 years, I have decided to make a foray into putting together a
25mm army or two. This raises a few questions:

1. Isn't there someone out there who manufactures and sells steel spears
of various lengths with leafhead tips? I have always insisted on replacing
the lead *wire ropes* that come cast with too many figures. If so, whom? I
bought some 15mm Xyston spears at HCon, and liked them a great deal. This
is what I'm talking about in 25mm.

2. How about basing? In 15mm I've always used high grade cardstock
(artboard matting paper), but fear this will not hold up well with larger
and heavier figures. Suggestions?

Thanks.

-Greek

Ed Forbes · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1092

I use a heavy matt board for both 15mm and 25mm. The stuff I get works fine for
both.

Ed

-- hrisikos@... wrote:

2. How about basing? In 15mm I've always used high grade cardstock
(artboard matting paper), but fear this will not hold up well with larger
and heavier figures. Suggestions?

Thanks.

-Greek

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Both Old Glory and Foundry make premade spears. The old glory kind come in
different lengths and have premolded leaf-shaped spearheads.

Litko Aerosystems is my new choice for bases. Laser cut wood with magnetic
bottoms.

J

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I use a heavy matt board for both 15mm and 25mm. The stuff I get works fine for
both.

Ed

-- hrisikos@... wrote:

2. How about basing? In 15mm I've always used high grade cardstock
(artboard matting paper), but fear this will not hold up well with larger
and heavier figures. Suggestions?

Thanks.

-Greek

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Both Old Glory and Foundry make premade spears. The old glory kind come in
different lengths and have premolded leaf-shaped spearheads.

Litko Aerosystems is my new choice for bases. Laser cut wood with magnetic
bottoms.

J

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I use a heavy matt board for both 15mm and 25mm. The stuff I get works fine for
both.

Ed

-- hrisikos@... wrote:

2. How about basing? In 15mm I've always used high grade cardstock
(artboard matting paper), but fear this will not hold up well with larger
and heavier figures. Suggestions?

Thanks.

-Greek

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Bill Chriss · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1000 Location: Texas

> Both Old Glory and Foundry make premade spears. The old glory kind
> come in different lengths and have premolded leaf-shaped spearheads.
>
> Litko Aerosystems is my new choice for bases. Laser cut wood with
> magnetic bottoms.
>
> J
>

Precut bases? Oh yeah, now that's what I'm talking about! Thanks

-Greek

Steve Hollowell · Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 133

http://www.litkoaero.com/

Good stuff

JonCleaves@... wrote:
Both Old Glory and Foundry make premade spears. The old glory kind come in
different lengths and have premolded leaf-shaped spearheads.

Litko Aerosystems is my new choice for bases. Laser cut wood with magnetic
bottoms.

J

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I use a heavy matt board for both 15mm and 25mm. The stuff I get works fine for
both.

Ed

-- hrisikos@... wrote:

2. How about basing? In 15mm I've always used high grade cardstock
(artboard matting paper), but fear this will not hold up well with larger
and heavier figures. Suggestions?

Thanks.

-Greek

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

Old Glory are steel with leaf-shaped pewter spear points.

Jon

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Bill Chriss · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1000 Location: Texas

> JonCleaves@... wrote:
> Both Old Glory and Foundry make premade spears. The old glory kind come
> in different lengths and have premolded leaf-shaped spearheads.
>
> Litko Aerosystems is my new choice for bases. Laser cut wood with
> magnetic bottoms.
>
> J

Do the Old Glory spears have steel shafts? (Their website has no pics).
Foundry's steel spears are apparently sharpened, but not flattened and
shaped. What I'm looking for are steel shafted spears suitable for 25mm
use that also have leaf-shaped spearheads. I like the Xyston variety for
15mm. Thanks.

-Greek

Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 12

What I'm looking for are steel shafted spears suitable for 25mm
> use that also have leaf-shaped spearheads. I like the Xyston variety
for
> 15mm. Thanks.
>
>
> -Greek

Olympian Games have excellent brass spears in 40mm, 60mm and 100mm
lengths which are flattened and shaped. See their website at
http://olympian-games.freeyellow.com/

Muz

Legionary Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 297

Probably more work than you wanted to do, but I have taken the brass wire
and tapped it a couple times with a hammer, then shaped them with the
grinding wheel (on a dremmel).once you get going, it takes no time at all to
make up enough for my use.or I just save myself the hassle and buy them
(smile).

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> JonCleaves@... wrote:
> Both Old Glory and Foundry make premade spears. The old glory kind come
> in different lengths and have premolded leaf-shaped spearheads.
>
> Litko Aerosystems is my new choice for bases. Laser cut wood with
> magnetic bottoms.
>
> J

Do the Old Glory spears have steel shafts? (Their website has no pics).
Foundry's steel spears are apparently sharpened, but not flattened and
shaped. What I'm looking for are steel shafted spears suitable for 25mm
use that also have leaf-shaped spearheads. I like the Xyston variety for
15mm. Thanks.

-Greek

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Bill Chriss · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1000 Location: Texas

> Probably more work than you wanted to do, but I have taken the brass
> wire
> and tapped it a couple times with a hammer, then shaped them with the
> grinding wheel (on a dremmel).once you get going, it takes no time at all
> to
> make up enough for my use.

This is what I have been doing in 15mm the last ten years. I think the
imperfections in my technique will be magnified by the larger scale, so I
plan to buy from OG.

On another subject, how do people feel about white vs. black priming in
25mm, and what about "dipping"?

-Greek

Todd Kaeser · Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: RE: Painting/Modeling question

Greek,

I personally use the black priming in both 15's and 25's. It makes my painting
faster - I don't paint what I want "outlined" and it works well for me. Also,
if you forget to paint something than at least it isn't as noticeable.

Todd Kaeser

hrisikos@... wrote:
> Probably more work than you wanted to do, but I have taken the brass
> wire
> and tapped it a couple times with a hammer, then shaped them with the
> grinding wheel (on a dremmel).once you get going, it takes no time at all
> to
> make up enough for my use.

This is what I have been doing in 15mm the last ten years. I think the
imperfections in my technique will be magnified by the larger scale, so I
plan to buy from OG.

On another subject, how do people feel about white vs. black priming in
25mm, and what about "dipping"?

-Greek

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Bill Chriss · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1000 Location: Texas

> Greek,
>
> I personally use the black priming in both 15's and 25's. It makes my
> painting faster - I don't paint what I want "outlined" and it
> works well for me. Also, if you forget to paint something than at least
> it isn't as noticeable.
>
> Todd Kaeser
>

Yes, Todd, this has always been my preferred method as well, for the same
reasons, but in 15mm. Glad to hear it works for you in 25mm as well. I do
go a bit further by painting everything white or flesh that does not
remain black or get dry-brushed metallic. This provides a good base for
flesh washing, or for painting and shading clothing. I will see how this
works on the 25's once I get my spears from Old Glory. Good to hear from
you.

-Greek

Todd Kaeser · Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:56 pm Post subject: RE: Painting/Modeling question

Greek,

I've found that the spears from old glory look very nice, and being steel hold
up remarkably well, but... I've had to drill out each and every spear head w/ a
dremel to ensure that the spear will crazyglue well to the spear-shaft. Big
pain in the butt, but worth it in the end.

Todd K

hrisikos@... wrote:
> Greek,
>
> I personally use the black priming in both 15's and 25's. It makes my
> painting faster - I don't paint what I want "outlined" and it
> works well for me. Also, if you forget to paint something than at least
> it isn't as noticeable.
>
> Todd Kaeser
>

Yes, Todd, this has always been my preferred method as well, for the same
reasons, but in 15mm. Glad to hear it works for you in 25mm as well. I do
go a bit further by painting everything white or flesh that does not
remain black or get dry-brushed metallic. This provides a good base for
flesh washing, or for painting and shading clothing. I will see how this
works on the 25's once I get my spears from Old Glory. Good to hear from
you.

-Greek

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Bill Chriss · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1000 Location: Texas

> Greek,
>
> I've found that the spears from old glory look very nice, and being steel
> hold up remarkably well, but... I've had to drill out each and every
> spear head w/ a dremel to ensure that the spear will crazyglue well to
> the spear-shaft. Big pain in the butt, but worth it in the end.
>
> Todd K
>

Drat! I was assuming that OG already had countersunk the spearheads so
that part would be moot, or else that the shaft and head would already
come together in one piece. They're not? Oh well, at least it'll be easier
than the few times I've done similar countersink spear jobs in 15mm!

-Greek