Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Being of Irish descent, I'm about to fight a battle as Scots-Irish ;)

Needing all the help I can get, I'm greatly attracted to plashed
woods. However, I'm sure questions of visibility will arise.

Q1: So, at what distance is the plashing visible?
Is it 40 paces, as per troops in woods (This is my hope)
Or when the wood first becomes visible (This is my fear)

Q2: Does the answer change if I plash the edge of the woods, but
don't defend the obstacle I've created? (the Irish can get very
desperate, enlisting trees! And for good reason: trees don't run
away!)

Q3: in order to plash woods, MUST I deploy troops to defend the
plashing?



And if I'm outscouted and the wood is in my forward zone, what then?

I assume I can still force-march troops into such a woods. They will
not however count as being in ambush (outscouted, so disallowed), so
would have to be deployed as "visible" (= known) troops.

Q4: if I'm outscouted, what information does the enemy have about
plashed woods in my forward zone?



And as a generalisation, similar questions could be asked of other
forms of obstacles (and/or field defences?).

For instance, does emplacing stakes by a unit in ambush constitute
movement and therefore reveal to the enemy that unit? And its
emplaced stakes???

Terry (praying to St Patrick AND St Andrew)

[joncleaves]

Good thing I'm part Irish. The Welshman in me makes me want to ignore these
questions...lol

<<> Q1: So, at what distance is the plashing visible?
> Is it 40 paces, as per troops in woods (This is my hope)
> Or when the wood first becomes visible (This is my fear)>>

Fear. Plashing is at the wood edge and is visible when the woods become so.

> Q2: Does the answer change if I plash the edge of the woods, but
> don't defend the obstacle I've created? >>

Nope. But see below, as you can't even do that in the forward zone.

<< (the Irish can get very
> desperate, enlisting trees! And for good reason: trees don't run away!)>>

And this line of questions is the very definition of desperate...lol

> Q3: in order to plash woods, MUST I deploy troops to defend the > plashing?>>

From DAW: "If temporary field fortifications specified in a list as being able
to be deployed in the forward zone, a unit or body must also be deployed in the
forward zone to “man� such fortifications at the start of the game."

But I am not aware of a requirement to start the game with manned TFs if they
are in the REAR zone.

<<> And if I'm outscouted and the wood is in my forward zone, what then?>>

If outscouted, you can forced march into a plashed position, but not in ambush
(14.42) and not within 240p of the centerline (14.43).

<<> I assume I can still force-march troops into such a woods. They will
> not however count as being in ambush (outscouted, so disallowed), so
> would have to be deployed as "visible" (= known) troops.>>

Yup.

<<> Q4: if I'm outscouted, what information does the enemy have about
> plashed woods in my forward zone?>>

All of it. But that has nothing to do with outscouting or not.

<< And as a generalisation, similar questions could be asked of other
> forms of obstacles (and/or field defences?).>>

Yup. And similar answers would be given.

<<> For instance, does emplacing stakes by a unit in ambush constitute
> movement and therefore reveal to the enemy that unit? And
> its
> emplaced stakes???>>

Yup. 7.5, 14.42.

<<> Terry (praying to St Patrick AND St Andrew)>>

Please note, that all I did was open my rulebook and my DAW book to answer these
questions. Nothing magical about that.

J

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> Good thing I'm part Irish. The Welshman in me makes me want to
ignore these questions...lol

Perhaps I shouldn't have asked - Irish myths are full of heroes
asking questions that are better not answered - and finding out too
late just why those questions are better left unasked... lol

Thanks for the quick response, but:
exchange rate + lack of employment = no Dark Age Warrior book!
(I'm using the 6th Ed lists - and I thought my Ancient Britons were
scummy! - oh, they are... lol)


>
> <<> Q1: So, at what distance is the plashing visible?
> > Is it 40 paces, as per troops in woods (This is my hope)
> > Or when the wood first becomes visible (This is my fear)>>
>
> Fear. Plashing is at the wood edge and is visible when the woods
become so.

Oh well, the Irish are a fearful bunch ;)


>
> > Q2: Does the answer change if I plash the edge of the woods, but
> > don't defend the obstacle I've created? >>
>
> Nope. But see below, as you can't even do that in the forward zone.
>
> << (the Irish can get very
> > desperate, enlisting trees! And for good reason: trees don't run
away!)>>
>
> And this line of questions is the very definition of desperate...lol

Really??? You don't know what desperation is:
What if I get my opponent to agree to fight at a specific place
(as often occured) at a specific date (say 30 or 40 years in the
future) and then planted trees (and carefully tended them) at that
place, preferably edging a bog or three??? (lots of desperate
laughter, and plenty of Guinness as well...)


> > Q3: in order to plash woods, MUST I deploy troops to defend the >
plashing?>>
>
> From DAW: "If temporary field fortifications specified in a list
as being able to be deployed in the forward zone, a unit or body must
also be deployed in the forward zone to “man� such
fortifications at the start of the game."
>
> But I am not aware of a requirement to start the game with manned
TFs if they are in the REAR zone.


TFs??? isn't that a DBx term? (says Irish, desperate to fight any
potential foe...)



> <<> And if I'm outscouted and the wood is in my forward zone, what
then?>>
>
> If outscouted, you can forced march into a plashed position, but
not in ambush (14.42) and not within 240p of the centerline (14.43).

OK


> <<> I assume I can still force-march troops into such a woods. They
will not however count as being in ambush (outscouted, so
disallowed),
so would have to be deployed as "visible" (= known) troops.>>
>
> Yup.

No problems (I like kate Bush)


> <<> Q4: if I'm outscouted, what information does the enemy have
about plashed woods in my forward zone?>>
>
> All of it. But that has nothing to do with outscouting or not.


Really? Expand, please. Disappointed...

>
> << And as a generalisation, similar questions could be asked of
other forms of obstacles (and/or field defences?).>>
>
> Yup. And similar answers would be given.

Similar, but not the same? (Irish lawyer trying to calculate how
many cattle of yours I can steal to compensate for my disappointment
without offending the gods and having you (legally) steal more of my
cattle back again)

>
> <<> For instance, does emplacing stakes by a unit in ambush
constitute movement and therefore reveal to the enemy that unit? And
> > its emplaced stakes???>>
>
> Yup. 7.5, 14.42.

Yup indeed


> <<> Terry (praying to St Patrick AND St Andrew)>>
>
> Please note, that all I did was open my rulebook and my DAW book to
answer these questions. Nothing magical about that.
>
> J

Yes there is. Magical exchange rate...

[joncleaves]

> > <<> Q4: if I'm outscouted, what information does the enemy have
> about plashed woods in my forward zone?>>
> >
> > All of it. But that has nothing to do with outscouting
> or not.
>
>
> Really? Expand, please. Disappointed...>>

Terry, plashing is visible to any body that can see the edge of the woods that
has been plashed, whether you have been outscouted or not. You cattle-thievin'
varmint.

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > <<> Q4: if I'm outscouted, what information does the enemy have
> > about plashed woods in my forward zone?>>
> > >
> > > All of it. But that has nothing to do with outscouting
> > or not.
> >
> >
> > Really? Expand, please. Disappointed...>>
>
> Terry, plashing is visible to any body that can see the edge of the
woods that has been plashed, whether you have been outscouted or not.
You cattle-thievin' varmint.


Aye, that be me! (Would you like to buy some hamburgers?? Not that
I belong to the McDonald clan... lol...)

--- In WarriorRules@y..., JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > <<> Q4: if I'm outscouted, what information does the enemy have
> > about plashed woods in my forward zone?>>
> > >
> > > All of it. But that has nothing to do with outscouting
> > or not.
> >
> >
> > Really? Expand, please. Disappointed...>>
>
> Terry, plashing is visible to any body that can see the edge of the
woods that has been plashed, whether you have been outscouted or not.
You cattle-thievin' varmint.


One further complication...

My father's name can be traced back to the far north of Scotland -
there could be Pictish blood throbbing in my veins!

(And that explains whatever insanity of mine that my Irish blood
can't explain! Does that explain things for you? If it does, please
let me know...)