Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Frank Gilson]

Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm suitable?

I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also see some
15mm.

I like the low prices and light weights...

Frank Gilson

[Ewan McNay]

I have some Esci Aztecs that I quite like.

Frank Gilson wrote:

> Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm suitable?
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> I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also see some
> 15mm.
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[Frank Gilson]

Many such figures appear to be described as '1/72' and then
sometimes as 20mm. Are they in fact large enough to properly
represent our '25mm' scale? I know that the 1/76 figures are not.

Frank

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
wrote:
> I have some Esci Aztecs that I quite like.
>
> Frank Gilson wrote:
>
> > Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm
suitable?
> >
> > I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also see
some
> > 15mm.
> >
> > I like the low prices and light weights...
> >
> > Frank Gilson
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Greetings Frank,
I used to have some of the 1/72 gauls mixed into my 15mm romans I had to cut the
figures off of the base and mounted them on thin magnet sheet. it made them
stand about a half head higher than minifig 15/18mm legionairies mounted on
balsa and magnets. 1/72 plastics will be a bit shorter and less stout than
metal 25mm and a whole lot smaller than 28mm. If your whole army is plastic it
should be ok.


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Gilson" <franktrevorgilson@h...>
wrote:
> Many such figures appear to be described as '1/72' and then
> sometimes as 20mm. Are they in fact large enough to properly
> represent our '25mm' scale? I know that the 1/76 figures are not.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In

[Ewan McNay]

Yes; I actually measured them (they were an eBay purchase) and they come
out at around 26mm.

On Fri, 27 May 2005, Frank Gilson wrote:

> Many such figures appear to be described as '1/72' and then
> sometimes as 20mm. Are they in fact large enough to properly
> represent our '25mm' scale? I know that the 1/76 figures are not.
>
> Frank
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
> wrote:
> > I have some Esci Aztecs that I quite like.
> >
> > Frank Gilson wrote:
> >
> > > Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm
> suitable?
> > >
> > > I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also see
> some
> > > 15mm.
> > >
> > > I like the low prices and light weights...
> > >
> > > Frank Gilson
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To correctly measure 1:72 scale plastics, you measure a flatfooted
standing figure (not an action pose from the same set). The makers
Imex, Revell, Tamiya, Hasegawa and Academy all measure at true 20mm
from the base of the foot (not the bottom of base) to the Eye. Which
is how All companies measure their miniatures (this exact scale for
diorama's and the expectation that military wargaming miniatures
naturally met the same standard is what revealed the 'scale creep'
when dioramists tried to use metal 15mm for example when it was
really 18mm). There are now white metal specialty shops that are
making 20mm metal infantry packs specifically to augment the vast
selection of 1:72 scale vehicles out there for the table top
commander. If your going ancients however, there will be a distinct
difference if you take say, Imex's Ancients Greek Hoplites and
without mounting them on a thicker base, place them on the table next
to a similarly mounted 25mm metal army - they will develop the "puny"
man complex.
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, ewan.mcnay@y... wrote:
> Yes; I actually measured them (they were an eBay purchase) and they
come
> out at around 26mm.
>
> On Fri, 27 May 2005, Frank Gilson wrote:
>
> > Many such figures appear to be described as '1/72' and then
> > sometimes as 20mm. Are they in fact large enough to properly
> > represent our '25mm' scale? I know that the 1/76 figures are not.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I have some Esci Aztecs that I quite like.
> > >
> > > Frank Gilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm
> > suitable?
> > > >
> > > > I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also
see
> > some
> > > > 15mm.
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> > > > I like the low prices and light weights...
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[joncleaves]

Interesting. 1:72 should mean a 6 foot man is 1 inch tall. 25mm should mean
the same thing. Why, then, would 1:72 consistently measure at 20mm and not
25mm?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Hooten <rshooten@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:58:48 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Plastic 25mm figures


To correctly measure 1:72 scale plastics, you measure a flatfooted
standing figure (not an action pose from the same set). The makers
Imex, Revell, Tamiya, Hasegawa and Academy all measure at true 20mm
from the base of the foot (not the bottom of base) to the Eye. Which
is how All companies measure their miniatures (this exact scale for
diorama's and the expectation that military wargaming miniatures
naturally met the same standard is what revealed the 'scale creep'
when dioramists tried to use metal 15mm for example when it was
really 18mm). There are now white metal specialty shops that are
making 20mm metal infantry packs specifically to augment the vast
selection of 1:72 scale vehicles out there for the table top
commander. If your going ancients however, there will be a distinct
difference if you take say, Imex's Ancients Greek Hoplites and
without mounting them on a thicker base, place them on the table next
to a similarly mounted 25mm metal army - they will develop the "puny"
man complex.
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, ewan.mcnay@y... wrote:
> Yes; I actually measured them (they were an eBay purchase) and they
come
> out at around 26mm.
>
> On Fri, 27 May 2005, Frank Gilson wrote:
>
> > Many such figures appear to be described as '1/72' and then
> > sometimes as 20mm. Are they in fact large enough to properly
> > represent our '25mm' scale? I know that the 1/76 figures are not.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I have some Esci Aztecs that I quite like.
> > >
> > > Frank Gilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm
> > suitable?
> > > >
> > > > I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also
see
> > some
> > > > 15mm.
> > > >
> > > > I like the low prices and light weights...
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Miniature´s scales and sizes are a nightmare. I wish miniature makers left over
the "size" to use only "scale", like plastic kits manufacturers. Then things
like "15/18 mm" will become 1:100 scale (a 6 foot/1.80 meters tall man becames a
18mm figurine), and things like 25/28 mm will become 1:65 scale (a 1.80 meters
tall man becomes a 28mm figurine, aprox). Using only scale, is useful for making
houses, animals, carts, boats, etc. The worse is that some manufacturers measure
figurines from feet to eyes (what is the standard for collection figures), while
others measure from feet to head top. Bytheway, I am only 1.75 meters
tall...sigh
Emilio.


Interesting. 1:72 should mean a 6 foot man is 1 inch tall. 25mm should mean
the same thing. Why, then, would 1:72 consistently measure at 20mm and not
25mm?

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Hooten <rshooten@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:58:48 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Plastic 25mm figures


To correctly measure 1:72 scale plastics, you measure a flatfooted
standing figure (not an action pose from the same set). The makers
Imex, Revell, Tamiya, Hasegawa and Academy all measure at true 20mm
from the base of the foot (not the bottom of base) to the Eye. Which
is how All companies measure their miniatures (this exact scale for
diorama's and the expectation that military wargaming miniatures
naturally met the same standard is what revealed the 'scale creep'
when dioramists tried to use metal 15mm for example when it was
really 18mm). There are now white metal specialty shops that are
making 20mm metal infantry packs specifically to augment the vast
selection of 1:72 scale vehicles out there for the table top
commander. If your going ancients however, there will be a distinct
difference if you take say, Imex's Ancients Greek Hoplites and
without mounting them on a thicker base, place them on the table next
to a similarly mounted 25mm metal army - they will develop the "puny"
man complex.
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, ewan.mcnay@y... wrote:
> Yes; I actually measured them (they were an eBay purchase) and they
come
> out at around 26mm.
>
> On Fri, 27 May 2005, Frank Gilson wrote:
>
> > Many such figures appear to be described as '1/72' and then
> > sometimes as 20mm. Are they in fact large enough to properly
> > represent our '25mm' scale? I know that the 1/76 figures are not.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > I have some Esci Aztecs that I quite like.
> > >
> > > Frank Gilson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anybody know of plastic Ancients figure ranges that are 25mm
> > suitable?
> > > >
> > > > I find some 20mm plastics, but those'll be too small. I also
see
> > some
> > > > 15mm.
> > > >
> > > > I like the low prices and light weights...
> > > >
> > > > Frank Gilson
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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At 4:18 PM +0100 5/27/05, EMILIO MOSKOWICH wrote:
>Miniature´s scales and sizes are a nightmare. I
>wish miniature makers left over the "size" to
>use only "scale", like plastic kits
>manufacturers. Then things like "15/18 mm" will
>become 1:100 scale (a 6 foot/1.80 meters tall
>man becames a 18mm figurine), and things like
>25/28 mm will become 1:65 scale (a 1.80 meters
>tall man becomes a 28mm figurine, aprox). Using
>only scale, is useful for making houses,
>animals, carts, boats, etc. The worse is that
>some manufacturers measure figurines from feet
>to eyes (what is the standard for collection
>figures), while others measure from feet to head
>top. Bytheway, I am only 1.75 meters tall...sigh
>Emilio.
>
>Interesting. 1:72 should mean a 6 foot man is 1
>inch tall. 25mm should mean the same thing.
>Why, then, would 1:72 consistently measure at
>20mm and not 25mm?


Because the average height during these periods is 5'4"?

Scott Turner

[Bill Chriss]

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> Interesting. 1:72 should mean a 6 foot man is 1 inch tall. 25mm should
> mean the same thing. Why, then, would 1:72 consistently measure at 20mm
> and not 25mm?
>

Jon, I do not pretend to know the actual reason for this, but
historically, until quite recently, a 5' tall warrior was much more normal
than a 6' tall one. While this does not explain any part of your question,
it is something I have often reminded myself of when measuring spear
length for figure conversions, etc. If your hoplite is 15mm tall, and if
you assume him to have been between 5'0" and 5'5", and if you assume his
spear was 7-9 ft long, the spear should only be about 24 or 25 mm
tall/long. With a 25mm figure, it would be a 40mm spear. Many I've seen
are thus too long to be realistic scale, particularly in 15's.


Greek

[joncleaves]

The definition of the scale is a 6 foot man. It is why it is 1/72 and not 1/60,
etc.

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From: hrisikos@...
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:55:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Plastic 25mm figures


>>
>
> Interesting. 1:72 should mean a 6 foot man is 1 inch tall. 25mm should
> mean the same thing. Why, then, would 1:72 consistently measure at 20mm
> and not 25mm?
>

Jon, I do not pretend to know the actual reason for this, but
historically, until quite recently, a 5' tall warrior was much more normal
than a 6' tall one. While this does not explain any part of your question,
it is something I have often reminded myself of when measuring spear
length for figure conversions, etc. If your hoplite is 15mm tall, and if
you assume him to have been between 5'0" and 5'5", and if you assume his
spear was 7-9 ft long, the spear should only be about 24 or 25 mm
tall/long. With a 25mm figure, it would be a 40mm spear. Many I've seen
are thus too long to be realistic scale, particularly in 15's.


Greek




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Greetings Greek,
There are 2 reasons for the growth of warriors thru time.
1. Better nutriution, as humans have become more modernized we have more food
available to us which has allowed us to grow to our full genetic potential.
This can be shown in the U.S. most dramaticaly amongst 2nd generation Asian
Americans, often all the way up to what is average(5'9") or above.
2. Applied genetics. Bigger Warrior means better survival. Which means more
kids. Which are geneticaly predisposed to being tall.
Terry Dix.
> Jon, I do not pretend to know the actual reason for this, but
> historically, until quite recently, a 5' tall warrior was much more normal
> than a 6' tall one.

[Frank Gilson]

Well, I'm biased, of course...I'm 2 meters tall. Too bad I'm not
in 'fighting' shape, nor do I have a shiny suit of steel armor.
Fearsome indeed!

Figures-wise...I want the cheapest figures that will represent the
armies I wish to use properly. It appears that 1/72 plastic
figures 'can' do that.

Frank

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Dix" <notalent@p...> wrote:
> Greetings Greek,
> There are 2 reasons for the growth of warriors thru time.
> 1. Better nutriution, as humans have become more modernized we
have more food available to us which has allowed us to grow to our
full genetic potential. This can be shown in the U.S. most
dramaticaly amongst 2nd generation Asian Americans, often all the way
up to what is average(5'9") or above.
> 2. Applied genetics. Bigger Warrior means better survival. Which
means more kids. Which are geneticaly predisposed to being tall.
> Terry Dix.
> > Jon, I do not pretend to know the actual reason for this, but
> > historically, until quite recently, a 5' tall warrior was much
more normal
> > than a 6' tall one.

Dude I told you years ago you would make a good epee fencer:D
As for plaastic figs the one thing you have to be concerned about is paint
flaking off of them when the figures flex and bend.

- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Frank Gilson" <franktrevorgilson@h...>
wrote:
> Well, I'm biased, of course...I'm 2 meters tall. Too bad I'm not
> in 'fighting' shape, nor do I have a shiny suit of steel armor.
> Fearsome indeed!
>
> Figures-wise...I want the cheapest figures that will represent the
> armies I wish to use properly. It appears that 1/72 plastic
> figures 'can' do that.
>
> Frank
>