Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

Can't dismounted knights with SHI/EHI 2HCW/JLS,Sh pretty much beat
elephants straight up?

Now, dismounting enough knights to match up against the elephants
leaves you vulnerable to something else (especially if you need to
rally), but after all the idea is first find something else to kill
then as a last resort find a way to deal with the elephants
themselves.

So I am still really liking these. _But_ I do need to sit down and
try to work out the mechanics of dismounting selected irregular
knights. Only 40p move and disordered until the end phase, that does
present some issues, especially the short move. Almost need to plan
one turn further out than with Regs, and it telegraphs intention as
well.

I think I made yet another list error too - I can't take _both_ half
2HCW _and_ half JLS with the bowmen. Back to being dedicated terrain
troops, or maybe now they will graduate to being LI.

4E Irr C LI B,Sh @ 49

Saves a few points and gives me one LI unit to play with.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/5/2004 02:12:36 Central Daylight Time,
jjmurphy@... writes:
Can't dismounted knights with SHI/EHI 2HCW/JLS,Sh pretty much beat
elephants straight up?>>

I have done it, but you must be extremely careful - El vs SHI is a 4.... ;)


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[Larry Essick]

> Can't dismounted knights with SHI/EHI 2HCW/JLS,Sh pretty much beat
> elephants straight up?>>
>
> I have done it, but you must be extremely careful - El vs SHI is a
4.... ;)

Yes, I would not recommend this as a solution.

The problem with a knight heavy army is that it will not perform well
against sling, longbow, crossbow, and elephant armies. At the cost,
it has trouble against high morale foot armies, even if it can rout
units on contact, because the trade of unit for unit leaves the
knights many units short.

That is why I suggested a more balanced approach.

But, each person is a different personality and has different
expectations from his troops.

The Polish answer to elephants has got to be its JLS or B armed
infantry -- or avoidance. Relying on dismounted knights is just
asking for disaster.

Larry

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, <larryessick@b...> wrote:
> The Polish answer to elephants has got to be its JLS or B armed
> infantry -- or avoidance. Relying on dismounted knights is just
> asking for disaster.
>
> Larry

I agree, and the Polish list has some effective, if not stellar, anti-
elephant troops in the form of IrgC LHI 2HCW or JLS/sh once unit of
4E IrgC LHI/LMI 2HCW/sh JLS/sh can rout elephants on contact with an
uproll. Per element frontage that is 4@3+2 + 2@1+2+2 or 24 FP.

Also consider the most effective anti-elephant units are LI B. At
80p that is 4@3 per frontage or 10. So for every elephant the LI
line up on you are talking 10 FP or double the number of factors.
Thus for 2E El they take 20 or 2 CPF. for 3 they take 30 or 2 CPF.
Unless you down roll, the LI will halt the elephants every turn. And
since the elephants usually are protected by LI J/sh units to counter
your LI B, you have effective anti-LI troops with the excellent
Lithuanian LC J/B/sh.

I would get the LI B, work on effective coordination techniques with
these parameters: 1. Keep LC 120p away from elephants while
supporting LI at 80 paces from elephants. 2. Do not skirmish with
LI ever facing any mounted. 3. Keep elephants halted in order to
sustain momentum and strip elephant supporting units with LC and or
SHK.

Just my theories on killing elephants with Poles ;)

Wanax