Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

<<Does my charge _stay_ cancelled if the unit which declared a charge
on me does not actually charge me?>>

Yes, but I am answering without being able to picture how this happens.

<<Does it say that in "subsequent bounds" of hand to hand, all the
crew can fight in "any given direction?" Which would mean that after
contact, all the crew can fight.>>

Yes.

<<Looking harder at the sentence, what I'm confused about is as to
whether the 'first contact' phrase "any given direction" refers to
FIGURES or DIRECTIONS.

If the first, it means that a maximum of two figures can fight, but
they get their choice of any one direction in which to fight.

If the second, it means that you can fight in as many directions as
necessary, but only with up to two figures in each direction.>>

Second.

<<And that leads me to question the meaning of the 'subsequent bounds'
phrase "any or all" because its reference must be the same as the
previous phrase, so I don't know if it means "any or all FIGURES [can
fight in one direction only]" or "[up to two figures can fight in
each of] any or all DIRECTIONS.">>

Any or all. No figure can fight in more than one direction, OF COURSE.

<<Does the sentence "Substitute three ropemen for each of all but two
of the crew figures" relate to depiction only, or will man-pulled
engines end up counting more crew firing on the combat table?>>

Depiction ONLY. Ropemen are not crew.

[Doug]

><<And that leads me to question the meaning of the 'subsequent bounds'
>phrase "any or all" because its reference must be the same as the
>previous phrase, so I don't know if it means "any or all FIGURES [can
>fight in one direction only]" or "[up to two figures can fight in
>each of] any or all DIRECTIONS.">>
>
>Any or all. No figure can fight in more than one direction, OF COURSE.

Non sequitor.

Is it:
1) "any or all FIGURES [can fight in one direction only]"

or is it:
2) "[up to two figures can fight in each of] any or all DIRECTIONS."
--

Doug
The price of freedom is infernal vigilantes

"The tyranny of the legislatures is the most formidable dread at
present, and will be for long years. That of the executive will come
in it's turn, but it will be at a remote period." James Madison, 15
March 1798 (_Papers of J.M._ vol 12, p.14; LC call no. JK.111.M24)

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/31/2002 01:33:59 Central Daylight Time,
rockd@... writes:


> Any or all. No figure can fight in more than one direction, OF COURSE.
>
> Non sequitor.
>

You know, I know what that means, but if I was going to show my brains off
with latin phrases, I'd at least get the spelling right. But the truly funny
thing is - it doesn't apply here because that is the exactly correct answer
and neither of the two choices you give me below are. On subsequent bounds
all figures can fight in any direction. No figure can fight in more than one
direction. It is not 'one direction only' and beyond no figure fighting in
more than one direction, there is no limit on how many of the figures can
fight in any one direction. Yes, that does mean, for example, that a
surrounded elephant element with 3 crew with javelin could fight with one in
each direction or 2 and 1 or all 3 in one direction.

> Is it:
> 1) "any or all FIGURES [can fight in one direction only]"
>
> or is it:
> 2) "[up to two figures can fight in each of] any or all DIRECTIONS."
> --
>

The above is a false dillema, Mr. Non Sequitur.
Jon


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[joncleaves]

Kurt hold off on this one until I find wording Doug understands. He keeps
giving me sets of two choices, neither of which is correct, and I need time
to try and discern why before we word a 'question' for the FAQ.


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[Doug]

Can barely type at this time of night, let alone spell foreign languages.

The second sentence in that rules section is too damn complicated to
understand. Section 9.21- thanks for making me flip thru the book in
order to find it again.

I'm not asking if one fig can fight in two directions simultaneously.
Nothing to do with the question I asked; dunno why you keep bringing
it up.

According to part of your paragraph below, apparently the answer to
my question is option number 1:

>On subsequent bounds all figures can fight in any direction.
>It is not 'one direction only', there is no limit on how many of the
>figures can fight in any one direction.
>
>> Is it:
>> 1) "any or all FIGURES [can fight in one direction only]"
>>
>> or is it:
> > 2) "[up to two figures can fight in each of] any or all DIRECTIONS."


The phrase in the first clause (WRT First Contact) "any given
direction" is subject to two interpretations. Does it mean
A) up to two figures can fight; all in the same direction; the
direction chosen by the player
or
B) The player assigns the direction in which each figure fights; no
more than two figures in each direction.

If "A" is true, then the Subsequent Bounds clause means:
"ANY OR ALL figures can fight, all in the same direction; the
direction chosen by the player.

If "B" is true, then the Subsequent Bounds clause means:
"The player assigns the direction in which each figure fights; no
longer limited to a maximum of two figures in each direction.

***********************
Do I have this right:
If a 6 crew artillery piece support shoots at HI who are charging it,
the HI will take lots of damage going in. Then 2 crew fight with
Other weapons. The HI probably have JLS, so are one factor up but
got chewed up in Support shooting so won't give "more." They
probably recoil?????

Thus the artillery lives to fight a second bound. After prep shooting...

I don't understand how the Artillery dies.

Hi Doug...

This question I think I put in the FAQ. However, it is a bit confusing. Can
you send me the actual full question and Jon's response. I want to make sure
I get it right. Keep it as simple as possible.

--Kurt


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <rockd@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Recent Rules Questions


> Can barely type at this time of night, let alone spell foreign languages.
>
> The second sentence in that rules section is too damn complicated to
> understand. Section 9.21- thanks for making me flip thru the book in
> order to find it again.
>
> I'm not asking if one fig can fight in two directions simultaneously.
> Nothing to do with the question I asked; dunno why you keep bringing
> it up.
>
> According to part of your paragraph below, apparently the answer to
> my question is option number 1:
>
> >On subsequent bounds all figures can fight in any direction.
> >It is not 'one direction only', there is no limit on how many of the
> >figures can fight in any one direction.
> >
> >> Is it:
> >> 1) "any or all FIGURES [can fight in one direction only]"
> >>
> >> or is it:
> > > 2) "[up to two figures can fight in each of] any or all DIRECTIONS."
>
>
> The phrase in the first clause (WRT First Contact) "any given
> direction" is subject to two interpretations. Does it mean
> A) up to two figures can fight; all in the same direction; the
> direction chosen by the player
> or
> B) The player assigns the direction in which each figure fights; no
> more than two figures in each direction.
>
> If "A" is true, then the Subsequent Bounds clause means:
> "ANY OR ALL figures can fight, all in the same direction; the
> direction chosen by the player.
>
> If "B" is true, then the Subsequent Bounds clause means:
> "The player assigns the direction in which each figure fights; no
> longer limited to a maximum of two figures in each direction.
>
> ***********************
> Do I have this right:
> If a 6 crew artillery piece support shoots at HI who are charging it,
> the HI will take lots of damage going in. Then 2 crew fight with
> Other weapons. The HI probably have JLS, so are one factor up but
> got chewed up in Support shooting so won't give "more." They
> probably recoil?????
>
> Thus the artillery lives to fight a second bound. After prep shooting...
>
> I don't understand how the Artillery dies.
>
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