Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Yes I was thinking a similar situation: Running 2 3
or 4 4E units of legionaires in a column one behind
the other. Set the column towards the weak points and
let the LI velites stand and die in between the
columns. This is more akin to French Nappy tactics,
but it sounds as though it would work. Just meatgrind
a hole in the enemy line. lather rinse repeat


As for vs mounted, well... if I were fighting mounted,
which I always am, I'd roll high :)

boyd

--- kelly wilkinson <jwilkinson62@...> wrote:
> Let me add that in a face to face fight against
> pikes
> this give a very unhistorical advantage to the
> legions. It has been quoted on this board that Livy
> and other historians believed that pike blocks could
> not be defeated from the front. If the Romans could
> have done what we in Warrior can, they would have
> crushed every pike army "frontally" they met.
> Instead,
> they used their superior numbers and maneuver to
> defeat them on the flanks. Round one pikes verses
> Romans. pikes 32 figure unit front ranks HI verses a
> 16 figure Roman HI unit. Pikes are 24 @ a 3=60
> casualities on an even die roll. Romans are 12 @ a
> 6=60 casualties. Lock is the result with the romans
> disordered. Next bound a replacement unit comes in
> with htw and Kaplooey (Taken from the old Batman
> serial)! New Roman unit is 24 @ a 6=60 casualties.
> Pikes are 16 @ a 2 =32 casualties. they are now
> disordered (because that is what happens when pikes
> lose and instead of being pushed back they disorder)
> and will most likely go away in a bound because the
> other Roman unit will be ready to throw HTW after
> their rally(which I might mention has already been
> thrown and could not really be recovered since there
> are combatants fighting on top of those spent pila.
> Any other infantry dies most hideously. Yuck!
>
> Kelly
> --- Ed C Forbes <eforbes100@...> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Wanax
> > Andron
> > <vercengetorix@...> writes:
> > > If the replacing unit gets HTW at first contact,
> > we
> > > will be seeing about 75% Roman armies within a
> > year.
> > > boyd
> > >
> >
> > Roman armies still have major disadvantages
> against
> > mounted. Knights and
> > SHC tend to go through HI,HTW,SH almost like they
> > are not there.
> > You are not able to replace against being pushed
> > back by mounted. Even
> > HC,L, SH does a number on Roman foot.
> >
> > Early and later Roman armies do somewhat better as
> > they either have LTS
> > or JLS,D, but not that much better against cav.
> >
> > The Roman armies will do very well against foot
> in
> > the open, but then
> > again, they should as that is who the army was
> > developed to fight.
> >
> > Ed F
> >
> >
>
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[Kelly Wilkinson]

My question to you Chris is this, Did entire cohorts
replace other cohorts in this manner? And if this were
the case, did the legionaires throw their pila amongst
their friends and foes alike when replacing their
friends in hand to hand combat? Further musings. . .
it seems that this maneuver would be harder to pull of
against a mounted foe that is following up than that
of a foot unit. Perhaps this ploy should only be
allowed to be used against foot opponents. . . just a
thought for my 2 cents.


Kelly

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[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 06/16/2002 3:53:44 AM Central Daylight Time,
jwilkinson62@... writes:

<< My question to you Chris is this, Did entire cohorts
replace other cohorts in this manner? And if this were
the case, did the legionaires throw their pila amongst
their friends and foes alike when replacing their
friends in hand to hand combat? Further musings. . .
it seems that this maneuver would be harder to pull of
against a mounted foe that is following up than that
of a foot unit. Perhaps this ploy should only be
allowed to be used against foot opponents. . . just a
thought for my 2 cents. >>

Don't know. First instinct is to say no, that upon Marius reforms the
manipular tactics changed. But I have not done the research to say
authoritatively. I am confident that Scott has. The rule with multiple uses
of HTW is, imho, as much simplicity as anything else. How would we keep
track of which units used htw when? And what of multiple element units ie 4
or 6 elements? Currently if a large unit of legionairres is hit by a single
element front and then in subsequent bounds charged by other opponents, it
would still get HTW for each charge it received frontally. How would you
propose keeping track of which elements had used htw and which had not.
First contact is a good rule of thumb.
Chris

[Todd Kaeser]

Also remember that the replacement in combat only
applies when the cohorts are facing foot. If mounted
is recoiling the legions than they are SOL for help.

Todd

--- cncbump@... wrote:
> Roman armies still have major disadvantages against
> mounted. Knights
> and
> SHC tend to go through HI,HTW,SH almost like they
> are not there.
> You are not able to replace against being pushed
> back by mounted. Even
> HC,L, SH does a number on Roman foot.
>
> Early and later Roman armies do somewhat better as
> they either have LTS
> or JLS,D, but not that much better against cav.
>
> The Roman armies will do very well against foot
> in the open, but then
> again, they should as that is who the army was
> developed to fight.
>
> Ed F
>
> Not to mention, that the tactic is only allowed if
> the troops being replaced are recoiling or locked in
> place. Will work well against gauls and greeks,
> will only forestall the inevitable against knights.
> Chris
>


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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Todd, could you point me to that part of the rules or
lists that says that rank replacement is only allowed
to be used on foot? I missed that in the reading my
error!

kelly
--- Todd Kaeser <hailkaeser@...> wrote:
> Also remember that the replacement in combat only
> applies when the cohorts are facing foot. If
> mounted
> is recoiling the legions than they are SOL for help.
>
> Todd
>
> --- cncbump@... wrote:
> > Roman armies still have major disadvantages
> against
> > mounted. Knights
> > and
> > SHC tend to go through HI,HTW,SH almost like
> they
> > are not there.
> > You are not able to replace against being pushed
> > back by mounted. Even
> > HC,L, SH does a number on Roman foot.
> >
> > Early and later Roman armies do somewhat better
> as
> > they either have LTS
> > or JLS,D, but not that much better against cav.
> >
> > The Roman armies will do very well against foot
> > in the open, but then
> > again, they should as that is who the army was
> > developed to fight.
> >
> > Ed F
> >
> > Not to mention, that the tactic is only allowed if
> > the troops being replaced are recoiling or locked
> in
> > place. Will work well against gauls and greeks,
> > will only forestall the inevitable against
> knights.
> > Chris
> >
>
>
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