Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Murphy]

Okay, I think I have this now.

Three main issues I had with understanding HtH replacement rules:

(1) No enemy charge responses
because entire enemy body _always_ counts "in HtH"
and not only pursuing broken troops (unless replacees are broken)

(2) _Entire_ enemy body support shooting
_always_ determined under category "in HtH"
i.e. bow in rank unable to fight

(3) Totally seperate from the responses and shooting "in HtH"
Enemy elements get first contact against any replacing chargers
but no overlaps against those replacing chargers
However do get non-first contact overlaps
against friends of replacers
who are still in subsequent bounds of HtH with them

Does this seem to be correct now for replacement in HtH?

Here is the example fixed as far as I know now
including the stuff about disordered circulators and shieldless...

If all the rules are right now, then I have a tactics question

Is there something better the Romans can do
against a cheaper Thracian unit obtaining the same game result
that does not leave them in such a bad spot afterwards
(both rallying disordered
although at least now in supporting distance)?

Or is this, indeed, a "classic" case of where replacement
is _the_ best way to achieve a result?

Even random factors in all that follows

TTT
TTT 1x Thracians 6E Irr C LMI 2HCW, JLS, Sh


LL 1x Legionaries 4E Reg A/C HI HTW, Sh
LL

LL 1x Legionaries 2E Reg C HI HTW, Sh

Bound one approaches wind up with Thracians 100p away from 4E Romans.
Thracians charge impetously
Romans use swordsmen rule to counter-charge.
willing/eager Romans get this usage

Thracians take 1FP for impetuous charge.

No support shooting occurs
since Thracian JLS charging is not rear rank bow.

Hand-to-Hand:

Thracians front rank
6@+5 (2HCW v HI) +1 (JLS v HI) +1 (charge) +2 (impetuous)
Thracians rear rank
3@+2 (other foot v HI) +1 (JLS v HI) +1 (charge) +2 (impetuous)

6@+9=57 + 3@+6=15 =72 /16=4 CPF

Romans
12@+5 (HTW v LMI) +1 (charge)

12@+6=60 /18=3 CPF

Romans take their first 4 FP
Thracians take 6 more FP for total 7 FP for tired

Both are disordered for 3 CPF
Romans take more casualties so recoil
Thracians follow-up and expand
(hoping for even better things next bound)

Bound two the rear Romans approach to 75p from the Thracian front
but are still behind the front Romans

Romans charge and interpenetrate their front unit
replacing all four Roman elements of that unit (2 in contact) in HtH
formerly front unit is now disordered (again) by interpenetration
plus moved directly behind replacers
so can't rally this bound
but not combat result so no waver test
Replacing unit is not disordered
by interpenetrating charging nor by interpenetrating thru disordered
both by exceptions due to circulating combatants rule
allowed even thru disordered

No charge responses because entire Thracian body counts "in HtH"
and not only pursing broken enemies

No support shooting because entire Thracian body counts "in HtH"
and no bow in rank unable to fight

Thracians are now disordered and hence shieldless w/2HCW
Thracians still technically impetuous
but not charging so no +1 charge and no +2 impetuous while charging
Totally seperate from the responses and shooting "in HtH"
Thracians get first contact against new chargers
but no overlaps since no Romans are in subsequent bounds
of HtH with them

Thracians front rank
6@+5 (2HCW v HI) +1 (JLS v HI) +1 (following-up)
-1 (disordered loose) -1 (tired)
Thracians rear rank
3@+2 (other foot v HI) +1 (JLS v HI) +1 (following-up)
-1 (disordered loose) -1 (tired)

6@+5=24 + 3@+2=6 =30 /8=3 CPF

Romans
8@+5 (HTW v LMI) +1 (charge) +3 (v shieldless LMI)

8@+9=76 /18=4 CPF

Romans take their first 3 FP
Thracians take 8 more FP for total 15 FP and exhausted

Romans disordered for 3 CPF
Thracians doubled and 3 CPF so break
But vaporize in place as exhausted while in contact

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/18/2004 12:12:10 Central Daylight Time,
jjmurphy@... writes:
(1) No enemy charge responses
because entire enemy body _always_ counts "in HtH"
and not only pursuing broken troops (unless replacees are broken)

(2) _Entire_ enemy body support shooting
_always_ determined under category "in HtH"
i.e. bow in rank unable to fight

(3) Totally seperate from the responses and shooting "in HtH"
Enemy elements get first contact against any replacing chargers
but no overlaps against those replacing chargers
However do get non-first contact overlaps
against friends of replacers
who are still in subsequent bounds of HtH with them

Does this seem to be correct now for replacement in HtH?>>

That all looks right to me, John.


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