Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/2/2006 19:25:43 Central Standard Time,
shahadet_99@... writes:

This being the case, I guess my question is at what point you
measure range for the shot - at the moment of the charge declaration
(which in this case was 40paces, effective bow range) or after the
variable moves are complete (so long range) ?>>
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8.6 tells us: "When determining ranges for support shooting, the end
position of the bodies after charge and charge-response moves determines the
range,"

Jon




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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/2/2006 20:16:08 Central Standard Time,
mark@... writes:

Jon, can chargers who do not make contact in fact shoot at evaders?>>
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Yes. Have since Warrior was published. I am not trying to be mean, but I
answer this question about once a month it seems...lol

J




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Hi Jon. Had a situation come up during a recent game that threw me
for a loop and was wondering if you could clarify the specifics for me.

I had a unit of LC 40 paces in front of a unit of LMI Bow.

During stage 7 of the bound, Charge Phase (pg 1, my opponent
declared a charge on my LC (step a).

As my response (step b), I declared an evade.

At step c, I did my variable evade move, and my opponent rolled for
his variable charge distance for his LMI. Contact was not made.

After this was done, my opponent proceeded to say he was going to
shoot at my LC with the LMI, quoting section 8.81 as his reasoning, to
boot:

8.81 Shooting and Charging

Bodies that CHARGE or counter-charge can shoot with bow from an
elephant, chariot, or REAR RANK.
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This is where I got thrown for a loop, because as far as I knew,
shooting during the charge fell under the heading of "support
shooting", which occurs during the Hand to Hand phase (Stage 8, step
a, pg 1.

However, my opponent (an experienced NICT player) assured me that
Scott had ruled that this was allowed, and the other experienced NICT
player that I mentioned this to said that it was so, and that a strict
reading of 8.81 allows any body that declars a legal, non-cancelled
charge, and has a rear rank with bow, to fire, because the requirement
to be in contact is not mentioned in 8.81, just that the shooting body
be charging.

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This being the case, I guess my question is at what point you
measure range for the shot - at the moment of the charge declaration
(which in this case was 40paces, effective bow range) or after the
variable moves are complete (so long range) ?

Thanks,
-Asif Chaudhry

[Mark Stone]

--- On March 2 Asif said: ---

> At step c, I did my variable evade move, and my opponent rolled for
> his variable charge distance for his LMI. Contact was not made.
>
> After this was done, my opponent proceeded to say he was going to
> shoot at my LC with the LMI, quoting section 8.81 as his reasoning, to
> boot:
>
> 8.81 Shooting and Charging
>
> Bodies that CHARGE or counter-charge can shoot with bow from an
> elephant, chariot, or REAR RANK.

OK, I'm surprised. Stunned, even. I had some recollection that charges without
contact were treated as pursuits, and hence precluded shooting by
chargers/pursuers. Looking through the rules, I see nothing to that effect,
however, and so perhaps I'm guilty of a 7th editionism.

Jon, can chargers who do not make contact in fact shoot at evaders?


-Mark Stone

Got it - should have seen that in 8.6, but I was kind of like
Mark - stunned that support shooting could happen without contact.

I'll be sure to remember that next time though - bwahahaha, death to
those annoying skirmishing Reg HC L,B,Sh guys!!!!!

Thanks Jon!

-Asif Chaudhry


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 3/2/2006 19:25:43 Central Standard Time,
> shahadet_99@... writes:
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> This being the case, I guess my question is at what point you
> measure range for the shot - at the moment of the charge
declaration
> (which in this case was 40paces, effective bow range) or after
the
> variable moves are complete (so long range) ?>>
> [
> 8.6 tells us: "When determining ranges for support shooting, the
end
> position of the bodies after charge and charge-response moves
determines the range,"
>
> Jon
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/3/2006 07:54:14 Central Standard Time,
ewan.mcnay@... writes:

Naah. This one really has been the same for the past 17 years .>>
I think we're going on 20+.... ;)

Jon





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[Ewan McNay]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Mark Stone wrote:
> OK, I'm surprised. Stunned, even. I had some recollection that charges without
> contact were treated as pursuits, and hence precluded shooting by
> chargers/pursuers. Looking through the rules, I see nothing to that effect,
> however, and so perhaps I'm guilty of a 7th editionism.

Naah. This one really has been the same for the past 17 years .

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> Jon, can chargers who do not make contact in fact shoot at evaders?
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> -Mark Stone
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[Mike Turner]

Listen to long toothed Grandfathers Ewan, they should know!

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 3/3/2006 07:54:14 Central Standard Time,
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> I think we're going on 20+....
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[joncleaves]

I'm not the one looking like Santa, there, Grizzly...

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Sent: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:29:01 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Rules Question: Shooting and Charging, Section 8.81


Listen to long toothed Grandfathers Ewan, they should know!

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 3/3/2006 07:54:14 Central Standard Time,
> ewan.mcnay@... writes:
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> Naah. This one really has been the same for the past 17 years .>>
> I think we're going on 20+....
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