Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

If I have a unit of foot bow NEXT TO another friendly unit engaged in
hand to hand with an enemy unit, can those foot bow shoot at the
enemy unit? It IS in bow range but IS NOT in front of them. The
rules seem to say theu cannot, but this seems odd.

[joncleaves]

<<If I have a unit of foot bow NEXT TO another friendly unit engaged in
hand to hand with an enemy unit, can those foot bow shoot at the
enemy unit? It IS in bow range but IS NOT in front of them.>>

It depends. Is the unit prolonging the front of the unit in hth? Is this the
initial bound of combat or one later? Is any part of the potential shooting
unit behind the flank of the enemy?

The rule is 8.8, but I am not sure what exactly the question or situation is.
There certainly ARE cases where the unit you described can shoot into hth.

Jon

Jon,

a UNIT of foot bow is next to a friendly UNIT of infantry. That UNIT
of friendly infantry is engaged in hth with a UNIT of enemy
infantry. No ELEMENTS of the foot bow UNIT have the enemy infantry
UNIT in front of them.

Do the enemy infantry count as being in arc? My confusion stems from:
historically and logically, the foot bow should be able to shoot at
them but my reading of the shooting arcs rule seems to contradict
this. It seems, as you said, to hinge on the definition
of "prolonging it's front", and specifically, can an ELEMENT of one
UNIT count as prolonging the front of the ELEMENT of another UNIT.

I don't know if it will come out right but here is a text diagram of
the situation I am confused about:

eieieieiei
bbbbbbbb fififififi

b = bow
fi = friendly infantry
ei = enemy infantry


Jonathan




--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> <<If I have a unit of foot bow NEXT TO another friendly unit
engaged in
> hand to hand with an enemy unit, can those foot bow shoot at the
> enemy unit? It IS in bow range but IS NOT in front of them.>>
>
> It depends. Is the unit prolonging the front of the unit in hth?
Is this the initial bound of combat or one later? Is any part of the
potential shooting unit behind the flank of the enemy?
>
> The rule is 8.8, but I am not sure what exactly the question or
situation is. There certainly ARE cases where the unit you described
can shoot into hth.
>
> Jon

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/7/2004 02:44:35 Central Daylight Time,
ccoutoftown@... writes:

a UNIT of foot bow is next to a friendly UNIT of infantry. That UNIT
of friendly infantry is engaged in hth with a UNIT of enemy
infantry. No ELEMENTS of the foot bow UNIT have the enemy infantry
UNIT in front of them.

Do the enemy infantry count as being in arc?>>

Yes, according to the diagram you included.

It seems, as you said, to hinge on the definition
of "prolonging it's front", and specifically, can an ELEMENT of one
UNIT count as prolonging the front of the ELEMENT of another UNIT.>>
Yes.







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tab justification screwed up my diagram by pulling over the ei. Here
is the proper version:

eieieieiei
fififififi__bbbbbbbb

b = bow
fi = friendly infantry
ei = enemy infantry
__ = empty space

Same question.



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/2004 02:44:35 Central Daylight Time,
> ccoutoftown@y... writes:
>
> a UNIT of foot bow is next to a friendly UNIT of infantry. That
UNIT
> of friendly infantry is engaged in hth with a UNIT of enemy
> infantry. No ELEMENTS of the foot bow UNIT have the enemy
infantry
> UNIT in front of them.
>
> Do the enemy infantry count as being in arc?>>
>
> Yes, according to the diagram you included.
>
> It seems, as you said, to hinge on the definition
> of "prolonging it's front", and specifically, can an ELEMENT of
one
> UNIT count as prolonging the front of the ELEMENT of another
UNIT.>>
> Yes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/8/2004 02:29:28 Central Daylight Time,
ccoutoftown@... writes:

tab justification screwed up my diagram by pulling over the ei. Here
is the proper version:

eieieieiei
fififififi__bbbbbbbb

b = bow
fi = friendly infantry
ei = enemy infantry
__ = empty space

Same question.>>

Yes - ei is in b's arc.

J


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 8/8/2004 16:39:40 Central Daylight Time,
redcoat24@... writes:

I thought that to "Prolong the front" of a friendly unit, the archers had
to be actually abutting the unit they are prolonging.>>
They do.

So if there is a gap,
the archers cannot support shoot or target the enemy in HTH with the
Friendly unit.>>
not at first contact, but in later bounds.

Jon


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I thought that to "Prolong the front" of a friendly unit, the archers had
to be actually abutting the unit they are prolonging. So if there is a gap,
the archers cannot support shoot or target the enemy in HTH with the
Friendly unit.

Allan


----- Original Message -----
From: <JonCleaves@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: shooting arcs


> In a message dated 8/7/2004 02:44:35 Central Daylight Time,
> ccoutoftown@... writes:
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> a UNIT of foot bow is next to a friendly UNIT of infantry. That UNIT
> of friendly infantry is engaged in hth with a UNIT of enemy
> infantry. No ELEMENTS of the foot bow UNIT have the enemy infantry
> UNIT in front of them.
>
> Do the enemy infantry count as being in arc?>>
>
> Yes, according to the diagram you included.
>
> It seems, as you said, to hinge on the definition
> of "prolonging it's front", and specifically, can an ELEMENT of one
> UNIT count as prolonging the front of the ELEMENT of another UNIT.>>
> Yes.
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