Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Don Coon · Imperator Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 2742

> Different to having a CinC on a command stand who has not even himself as
> a fighting unit - sorry if I gave a different impression; this was what I
> suggested would rarely/never be a good idea.

I see what you are saying now.

I do this with my MIR though. My CINC and sub are single element dudes. It
keeps me from forgetting they can not fight worth a lick, and I keep them
both in the rear anyway. I consider the Roman command as rally generals not
fighting generals and as such, would rather spend the points for what would
have been their rear rank, elsewhere. If you get me in a game and get to
the point where my Roman commanders are in a position to defend themselves,
I have already lost the game the way I play them.

Don

Ewan McNay · Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: Single element CINC

jjendon@... wrote:
>
> > Different to having a CinC on a command stand who has not even himself as
> > a fighting unit - sorry if I gave a different impression; this was what I
> > suggested would rarely/never be a good idea.
>
> I see what you are saying now.
>
> I do this with my MIR though. My CINC and sub are single element dudes. It
> keeps me from forgetting they can not fight worth a lick, and I keep them
> both in the rear anyway. I consider the Roman command as rally generals not
> fighting generals and as such, would rather spend the points for what would
> have been their rear rank, elsewhere. If you get me in a game and get to
> the point where my Roman commanders are in a position to defend themselves,
> I have already lost the game the way I play them.

Right; but presumably those guys have commands under them, right? I do
exactly this with my Seleucids. What Jon had noted - correctly - was
that I did not actually have to assign my single-element CinC to have
any units at all in his non-command; I noted in response that I thought
this would be an odd, and poorly chosen, idea.

And as Seleucus doesn't have an Army standard, there's absolutely no
reason for him to be anywhere near the front line!

E

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

> What Jon had noted - correctly - was
> that I did not actually have to assign my single-element CinC to have any
units at all in his non-command; I noted in response that I thought this would
be an odd, and poorly chosen, idea.>>

As I end up choosing to do this in about half of my games (it is very
situational - true) I would be curious WHY you think this is odd and poorly
chosen.
J

joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

In a message dated 10/23/2002 18:42:13 Central Daylight Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> I agree with you that I have yet to see an advantage
> to running a 1E CINC without a command under him.

Ok, let us start with two generals to do general things, but only one big
command to be broken.....

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

In a message dated 10/23/2002 18:52:28 Central Daylight Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> Without the rulebook in front of me,>>

hmmmmm...

can a CINC promt anyone to do > anything? >>

Yes.

> Can a 1E CINC join any body?>>

Yes.

That is another use > I could put to effect with my arty.>>

Glad you could join us....lol

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Don Coon · Imperator Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 2742

All right now I am on the same page as you. Yes my 1E to date have all had
commands under them. I agree with you that I have yet to see an advantage
to running a 1E CINC without a command under him.

Don

>> If you get me in a game and get to
> > the point where my Roman commanders are in a position to defend
themselves,
> > I have already lost the game the way I play them.
>
> Right; but presumably those guys have commands under them, right? I do
> exactly this with my Seleucids. What Jon had noted - correctly - was
> that I did not actually have to assign my single-element CinC to have
> any units at all in his non-command; I noted in response that I thought
> this would be an odd, and poorly chosen, idea.
>
> And as Seleucus doesn't have an Army standard, there's absolutely no
> reason for him to be anywhere near the front line!

Don Coon · Imperator Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 2742

Right. Without the rulebook in front of me, can a CINC promt anyone to do
anything? If so that adds a bit to the lone CINC effect. I have been
playing in a lazy fog that the CINC could only promt his own command (or
change orders of course). Can a 1E CINC join any body? That is another use
I could put to effect with my arty.

Don

> > I agree with you that I have yet to see an advantage
> > to running a 1E CINC without a command under him.
>
> Ok, let us start with two generals to do general things, but only one big
> command to be broken.....

Tim Grimmett · Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2002 4:46 pm Post subject: RE: Single element CINC

I've had similar Han-type thoughts where charges are conducted in the wake
of shooting someone into disorder(and hence don't have to be prompted). A
Reg A,single element subgeneral general joining a Reg B 32-man Chieh-Nu unit
prevents the unit from ever being uneasy (useful vs elephants) and has the
advantage of directed fire. CINC runs around rallying people.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Single element CINC

In a message dated 10/23/2002 18:42:13 Central Daylight Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> I agree with you that I have yet to see an advantage
> to running a 1E CINC without a command under him.

Ok, let us start with two generals to do general things, but only one big
command to be broken.....

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joncleaves · Moderator Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 16447

In a message dated 10/25/2002 14:19:29 Central Daylight Time, cncbump@...
writes:

> I thought all generals had to have a commad which meant at least one unit,
> typically themselves. But since a minimum of two elements is required to
> complete a unit, then how is it legal to have a single element general with
> no command?
> Chris
>

2.55, second sentence.

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Chris Bump · Legate Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1625

In a message dated 10/23/2002 6:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> All right now I am on the same page as you. Yes my 1E to date have all had
> commands under them. I agree with you that I have yet to
> see an advantage
> to running a 1E CINC without a command under him.
>
> Don

I thought all generals had to have a commad which meant at least one unit,
typically themselves. But since a minimum of two elements is required to
complete a unit, then how is it legal to have a single element general with no
command?
Chris

Harlan Garrett · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 943

This might be accurate for some CINCs, not for generals.

Harlan
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 2:19 PM
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Single element CINC

In a message dated 10/23/2002 6:51:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jjendon@... writes:

> All right now I am on the same page as you. Yes my 1E to date have
all had
> commands under them. I agree with you that I have yet to
> see an advantage
> to running a 1E CINC without a command under him.
>
> Don

I thought all generals had to have a commad which meant at least one
unit, typically themselves. But since a minimum of two elements is
required to complete a unit, then how is it legal to have a single
element general with no command?
Chris

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