Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

<< Jon,

First allow me to apologise for calling you Don. Too many late
nights and Jack Daniels will do that.>>

No prob! At least you didn't add an 'h' to my name! Besides, being called
Don puts me in good company.

<<I'm sorry if you have answered these questions before but I've only
just found the group after reading the rules. Also I hope you don't
mind my sticking my oar in with some of the issues in the group.>>

You are absolutely welcome to ask whatever. And better your oar than your...

<< Skirmish questions.
1. Section 6.45 (page 37). The last two sentaces in this section
before the example appear to contradict each other. Should the last
sentance read " A unit may NOT adopt skirmish as part of a counter
move in a counter (6.14) and then move straight back out of missile
range." ?>>

GOOD CATCH! That is one screwed up sentence. I am fixing it now.

<<2. Section 6.45 (page 36) The last sentance reads "Any shields face
to the front of the formation as normal." However, in section 7.1
(Use of Shields), the last sentance in the section states "If a unit
is in skirmish formation, and any elements of it that are able to
shoot are shieldless when they do so, then the whole unit counts
shildless when shot." >>

The shields face the front. Troops that are shieldless to shoot (B, LB, CB,
etc.) can't count them. Troops that are not shieldless when shooting (JLS,
S, etc.) do count them.

<< a.) Does this hold true if the unit is of a mixed type where
the front rank uses a missile weapon such as JLS, Dart or Sling that
allows the shooter to retain the use of his shield? eg Assyrian LMI
front rank D, JLS, Sh, rear rank B in skirmish? or LC front rank
JLS, Sh, rear B in skirmish?>>

If any part of a unit in skirmish formation must lose its shield to shoot,
the whole unit is shieldless. I could explain why, but better if you just
trust me.

<< b.) What if only some of the front rank shoots shieldless while
the rest shoots shielded? eg Front rank 2 elements LMI D, JLS, Sh, 1
element B, JLS, Sh, rear LMI B in skirmish? The B, JLS guy MUST use
the B so he will be shieldless but the rest of the front rank will be
shielded. >>

Any shoot shieldless, all are shieldless (in skirmish).

<<3. I disagree that 2HCT weapons be charged double if they are the
ONLY weapon being used by that figure.>>

Your disagreement is noted. Next!

<< 4. Lance is 1.5 in two ranks? >>

Yep.

<< it will be like fighting SHK Teutonics or other
wedge fighting cav every time!>>

Yep. It's a jungle out there. Kidding aside, we've now got hundreds of
games under our belts with 7.6's L rule and it is a non-issue.

<< If you are going to do this,
how 'bout upping the effect of crossbow in SHK to at least factor 2?
After all, the knights petitioned the Pope to ban them as any peasant
could drill a knight from waaaay off and do heaps of damage doing it.>>

You don't actually expect me to answer this one, do you?

<< 5. Some troop types allow for double arming, 2HCW + JLS. Since the
2HCW cannot be used from a rear rank, does the "other weapons + JLS"
apply if circumstances permit? eg vs elephants, HI, HC etc?>>

Yup. But only in certain circumstances. In fact, I am working on that
section right now, and I will not rest until I have it nice and clear.

<<cheers

Steve>>

Back at ya, Steve.

Jon

Jon,

First allow me to apologise for calling you Don. Too many late
nights and Jack Daniels will do that.

I'm sorry if you have answered these questions before but I've only
just found the group after reading the rules. Also I hope you don't
mind my sticking my oar in with some of the issues in the group.

Skirmish questions.
1. Section 6.45 (page 37). The last two sentaces in this section
before the example appear to contradict each other. Should the last
sentance read " A unit may NOT adopt skirmish as part of a counter
move in a counter (6.14) and then move straight back out of missile
range." ?

2. Section 6.45 (page 36) The last sentance reads "Any shields face
to the front of the formation as normal." However, in section 7.1
(Use of Shields), the last sentance in the section states "If a unit
is in skirmish formation, and any elements of it that are able to
shoot are shieldless when they do so, then the whole unit counts
shildless when shot."

a.) Does this hold true if the unit is of a mixed type where
the front rank uses a missile weapon such as JLS, Dart or Sling that
allows the shooter to retain the use of his shield? eg Assyrian LMI
front rank D, JLS, Sh, rear rank B in skirmish? or LC front rank
JLS, Sh, rear B in skirmish?

b.) What if only some of the front rank shoots shieldless while
the rest shoots shielded? eg Front rank 2 elements LMI D, JLS, Sh, 1
element B, JLS, Sh, rear LMI B in skirmish? The B, JLS guy MUST use
the B so he will be shieldless but the rest of the front rank will be
shielded.

Weapons and eligibility

3. I disagree that 2HCT weapons be charged double if they are the
ONLY weapon being used by that figure. Yes, they do reduce the
opponent by -1 when they face it but then this is no different than
Pike or LTS at first contact. After first contact, being shieldless
costs you more than the opponents -1 for facing the 2HCT weapon.

4. Lance is 1.5 in two ranks? As if SHK or SHC with L aren't hard
enough in ONE rank, it will be like fighting SHK Teutonics or other
wedge fighting cav every time! If you are going to do this,
how 'bout upping the effect of crossbow in SHK to at least factor 2?
After all, the knights petitioned the Pope to ban them as any peasant
could drill a knight from waaaay off and do heaps of damage doing it.

5. Some troop types allow for double arming, 2HCW + JLS. Since the
2HCW cannot be used from a rear rank, does the "other weapons + JLS"
apply if circumstances permit? eg vs elephants, HI, HC etc?

cheers

Steve