Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 10/15/2002 19:30:55 Central Daylight Time,
edgdp@... writes:


> 1. A unit is made up of front rank 2E LHI 2HCW, Sh- second rank 2E LMI JLS,
> Sh. It becomes disordered in the first bound of combat. In the second
> bound it receives casualties as LMI as per 9.41"type of that immediately
> behind if worse". They count the shield of those in contact.
> (a) Does the front rank of the unit have to be able to use the shields for
> the second rank to count them ?

It has to have them and be able to use them.

> (b) If the unit counts as shieldless, do they count as shieldless LMI or LHI
> ?
>

the unit above in that situation as I understand it: LMI.

> 2.A mounted unit is under "RUSH" orders and therefore must move "as fast as
> possibleÅ "
> (a) does this mean the mounted unit must pre-empt foot if this means it
> will move "faster"?

No. You'd be making an assumption about the foot's movement.

> (b) Is this also the case with expendables ?

Is which the case?

>
> 3. A unit of LC is shot for 2CPF by a enemy archer body which is directly
> to the rear of the LC. It wishes to avoid the Waver test (Missile
> Casualties) and elects to perform a recall move.
> (a) Does it recall directly to its rear (ie towards the threat) ?
> (b) If the enemy archers are at a distance which prevents the LC from
> moving their full recall distance do they then test as they have only done
> a "partial" recall ?
> (c) If the archers are at 200paces from the LC, can the LC avoid the test
> (at the time) and hope they "roll down" on the recall ?

We are looking at recall and surrounded units. For now, as always, read it
literally. If it CANNOT or chooses not to, it must take a waver test. You
can't 'hope' a variable move, so if you can't recall to your rear because you
are being shot in the back, take the waver.

>
> 4. A unit is fighting only to its front and receives a "recoil" HTH result.
> Due to other troops it is not able to recoil at all. As it cannot recoil it
> is disordered (6.31)
> (a) Do the troops it is fighting against get the "following-up" bonus next
> bound ?

Yes.

>
> 5. A unit is made up of first two ranks 2E LI JLS, Sh and a third rank of
> 2E LI Bow.
> (a) If an enemy unit moving second could move to within 240 (but outside
> 40) paces straight in front of the unit, may the LI unit form skirmish ?

No.

> (b) Does the unit described above receive casualties as "shielded" as the
> bow are not able to fire (2 ranks of foot in skirmish), or as "shieldless"
> as some of the elements in the skirmishing unit are shieldless ?

Shielded. 7.1

>
>
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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 10/15/2002 20:02:50 Central Daylight Time,
jjendon@... writes:


> Could the rules be
> clarified to state that in order to adopt skirmish formation ALL figures
> must be able to shoot (or have an enemy capable of approaching to ALL
> figures shooting range)?

Sure.


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 10/15/2002 21:14:25 Central Daylight Time, cuan@...
writes:


> So would this mean that an LI unit that is 1/2 sling and 1/2 bow approaches
> to a bow unit at 160p it can not skirmish because the Sling can not reach.
> Right? (unless of course this LI unit is moving first)
>

if I understand the question, that is correct.

the words 'its shooting range' mean 'the shooting range of all the unit's
elements'.


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[Greg Preston]

Dear Jon,
Here is the latest set of questions from down under. Again, I think I'm
clear on some of these, but different interpretations were being advanced
locally so I thought I'd seek clarification. We had our first run of some
of the Warrior rules under comp conditions on the weekend before last, and
most of these Q's stem from that experience.
BTW the comp had 16 starters, was 6 rounds, and was enjoyable as usual. We
tend to play single list comps here at either 1300 or 1500 points and in
25mm. This one was 1300 points and was won by Darren Holmes using
Carthaginians. As for me, well I failed to follow the advice of the four
horsemen, I rolled down and lost. Problematic with most armies---fatal
with Arab Conquest as all 'Irregular A's". But you've got to love the look
on peoples faces when they work out that their cav have just been routed by
light infantry.

Anyway, to the questionsŠ.

1. A unit is made up of front rank 2E LHI 2HCW, Sh- second rank 2E LMI JLS,
Sh. It becomes disordered in the first bound of combat. In the second
bound it receives casualties as LMI as per 9.41"type of that immediately
behind if worse". They count the shield of those in contact.
(a) Does the front rank of the unit have to be able to use the shields for
the second rank to count them ?
(b) If the unit counts as shieldless, do they count as shieldless LMI or LHI ?

2.A mounted unit is under "RUSH" orders and therefore must move "as fast as
possibleŠ"
(a) does this mean the mounted unit must pre-empt foot if this means it
will move "faster"?
(b) Is this also the case with expendables ?

3. A unit of LC is shot for 2CPF by a enemy archer body which is directly
to the rear of the LC. It wishes to avoid the Waver test (Missile
Casualties) and elects to perform a recall move.
(a) Does it recall directly to its rear (ie towards the threat) ?
(b) If the enemy archers are at a distance which prevents the LC from
moving their full recall distance do they then test as they have only done
a "partial" recall ?
(c) If the archers are at 200paces from the LC, can the LC avoid the test
(at the time) and hope they "roll down" on the recall ?

4. A unit is fighting only to its front and receives a "recoil" HTH result.
Due to other troops it is not able to recoil at all. As it cannot recoil it
is disordered (6.31)
(a) Do the troops it is fighting against get the "following-up" bonus next
bound ?

5. A unit is made up of first two ranks 2E LI JLS, Sh and a third rank of
2E LI Bow.
(a) If an enemy unit moving second could move to within 240 (but outside
40) paces straight in front of the unit, may the LI unit form skirmish ?
(b) Does the unit described above receive casualties as "shielded" as the
bow are not able to fire (2 ranks of foot in skirmish), or as "shieldless"
as some of the elements in the skirmishing unit are shieldless ?


Thanks in advance for looking at these,

Greg Preston

[Don Coon]

> 5. A unit is made up of first two ranks 2E LI JLS, Sh and a third rank of
> 2E LI Bow.
> (a) If an enemy unit moving second could move to within 240 (but outside
> 40) paces straight in front of the unit, may the LI unit form skirmish ?

No.

This is not how we have been playing it (DOH!). The EIR option for auxilla
to have 1/4 unit with S is being used to allow the LHI - JLS+Sh; 1/4 S unit
to skirmish at 120p. We have been doing this wrong? Could the rules be
clarified to state that in order to adopt skirmish formation ALL figures
must be able to shoot (or have an enemy capable of approaching to ALL
figures shooting range)? Did we just wimp out on the reading of the rule?

I have no problem playing this way. Just pointing out our erroneous playing
and hopes for a clarification.

Don

[Greg Preston]

Dear Jon,

Thanks for the speedy reply.

Regards,

Greg Preston

Greg Preston
Lecturer
Faculty of Education and Arts
Email: edgdp@...
Ph: +61(02) 49215891 Post: School of Education
Fax: +61(02) 49216896 Newcastle University
University Drive
Callaghan 2308 NSW
Australia

[Patrick Byrne]

So would this mean that an LI unit that is 1/2 sling and 1/2 bow approaches
to a bow unit at 160p it can not skirmish because the Sling can not reach.
Right? (unless of course this LI unit is moving first)
-PB

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Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Some questions from Oz


> In a message dated 10/15/2002 20:02:50 Central Daylight Time,
> jjendon@... writes:
>
>
> > Could the rules be
> > clarified to state that in order to adopt skirmish formation ALL figures
> > must be able to shoot (or have an enemy capable of approaching to ALL
> > figures shooting range)?
>
> Sure.
>
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