Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

Summary:

I am putting together a plan for the other horsemen to look at for Warrior Demo
Team support. This plan incorporates many of Kurt's ideas.

We will look at the feasibility of sending review copies to the major mags and
websites.

Jury is WAY out on ranking system.

Plan already under way for more/shorter/demo events at cons.

Jon

[joncleaves]

We are not GW. This is a labor of love, not a multimillion dollar
enterprise.

Another company was supposed to market Warrior in the UK and has failed. We
are working on that.

Having said that, we will naturally include the UK (and everywhere else) in
any plan
we devise.

FHE coming to a UK con is problematic, but we'd sure take sponsors...lol

All good ideas!! Keep 'em coming.

Jon





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Jon,

Hopefully, the following is helpful. I am not trying to come across
as preaching; please pardon me if I do! ;-)

I submitted some info to the Miniature Pages Website (forwarded
message follows this email). I suggest you use the web more to
promote the rules. How many sites have you submitted info about
Warrior to? I find most of my info on the Web these
days. I would guess a lot of other gamers do as well. Submit your
Website to all major search engines.

Populate your site with a lot more information including articles on
painting, strategy tips, historical armies/battles, etc. Have
pictures with close-ups of painted armies. Ask members of this group
to send you pictures of their armies as well. How about posting old
NASAMW articles on the site? Not rules specific but articles that are
based on the hobby and historical battles/armies.

Information draws people to your site. Advertising creates awareness
but information stimulates the desire to participate. Anything you
can add that is visual, stimulates desire even more. WAB succeeds
because of pictures and that it is distributed where other GW
merchandise exists. Like them or not but GW's distribution system is
great and their marketing is second to none. Go to www.games-
workshop.com and see what they do.

As an aside, what do you think DBA online is doing for DBA? Without
knowing for sure, I would bet that it is actually helping the hobby.
Although you lose the feel of figures playing it, DBA online seems to
cause most players to want a "real" army. When you get right down to
it, how many of us played with plastic soldiers as kids? I would bet
that 99% of us did. Wargaming is a cerebral extension of playing
"soldier boy". Yes, you do have to research, paint, read rules and
have sound strategy but when you get down to the "nitty gritty" we
are all still playing with toy soldiers and love it!

Thanks,

Chris Tebo

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> Would you include the following on the rules comments on your site?
I had
a
> hard time submitting this with your new comments engine.

Actually, that's the "old" comments engine - the Rules section at TMP
is
closed for remodeling (see
http://theminiaturespage.com/reconstruction.mv).

What I can do for now is this:
* updated our listing for Four Horsemen (didn't know about the URL)
* updated our listing for WRG to include a link to Four Horsemen
* will run a notice on tomorrow's website about Four Horsemen's
website

- Bill Armintrout, editor
The Miniatures Page
http://theminiaturespage.com

All,
As a follow on to this and Mark Mallards points, most of what has
been said about recruiting has concerned the US. Here in England/UK,
there is absolutely no publicity at all, apart from Caliver Books, the
UK distributor of Warrior.
I asked for the location of English players, to see if there was a
chance of us getting together at one of the exhibitions later in the
year, for a chat about the rules and to get to know each other, but I
got one reply.
I know there are more players out there, because Caliver sell out of the
rules/lists as fast as they come in.
If the FHE want to promote the rules over here I would agree with some
of the ideas put forward by others on the group, but directed to the UK
as well as the US. There are an awful lot of people who aren't happy
with DBx, but quite liked the WRG ideas, but not the rules.
You could take out advertisements in the Wargaming press - Miniature
Wargames and Wargames Illustrated - are the two biggest selling general
Wargames magazines, they both have Web sites, so an advert could easily
be placed via that, articles could be written, preferably, by the people
who know the rules best - you at FHE, and submitted, they could even be
the same articles as you run in the US, it's unlikely that the same
person would read both US and UK magazines on a regular basis.
Are any of you members of the Society of Ancients ? They are always
looking for articles for Slingshot.
There is also advertising at Exhibitions (Conventions in the US), two of
the largest in the UK are due, Colours at Reading in the middle of
September and SELWG at Crystal Palace at the end of October.
The 'World Championship' is in Derby in, I think October or November,
they could be tried.
None of the figure manufacturers that I've spoken to, have even heard of
the rules, they only recognize it when WRG Xth is mentioned and then
they say, generally, 'it takes to long', when Fast Warrior is explained
they say 'Oh, that's a good idea', followed by a pregnant pause.
As was said by the company in the US, they are worried about sales and
how many different types of ready made armies they should carry -DBA,
DBM, WAB, FW, it is probably too many for them, especially when they
don't know what the sales are going to be, they've never heard of the
rules, who else has ?
Links to the FHE site could be submitted to the various Wargames sites,
there are lots of them, people would click on it out of curiosity and
may be convinced to try them out.
Word of mouth only goes so far, you tell your friends, who already all
wargame, you convince them, then what do you do ?
You end up with isolated groups - Mark Mallard in Cumbria (sorry if
that's wrong Mark), us in South Essex, opposite ends of the country, not
far to you guys in the States (3-400 miles), but with our roads and
transport system, it might as well be the moon.
Demo games could be set up, not this year, possibly next, but to do
them, you have to be confident in your knowledge of the rules, you have
to have some kind of back up, handouts about FHE, how to get the rules
etc., which to be honest I don't have, our group, between us, may have
the confidence by next year, but I doubt it, none of us play often
enough to get it.
I can't speak for any other UK group, but any one would need some kind
of back up from you, at FHE, a personal appearance would be excellent,
unlikely, but excellent.
They are a great set of rules, but they have to be marketed, not just
left to sell by themselves on how good they are, people still think of
them as WRG 7th, with all the hassle that brings and so that stigma has
to be overcome.
WAB hasn't sold on how 'good' it is, it was packaged right, it was new,
shiny, it was marketed.
I know you cannot afford the sort of glossy stuff they have, but an
effort could be made to publicize the rules outside of the website or
this chat room, we are converted, our friends are converted, without
support, that's as far as it will go.
General wargamers have to made aware that Warrior exists, we all know
about WAB, do they know about us ?

I shall now dig my bunker and await the incoming.

Les.

ancientsgamer wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Hopefully, the following is helpful. I am not trying to come across
> as preaching; please pardon me if I do!
>
> I submitted some info to the Miniature Pages Website (forwarded
> message follows this email). I suggest you use the web more to
> promote the rules. How many sites have you submitted info about
> Warrior to? I find most of my info on the Web these
> days. I would guess a lot of other gamers do as well. Submit your
> Website to all major search engines.
>
> Populate your site with a lot more information including articles on
> painting, strategy tips, historical armies/battles, etc. Have
> pictures with close-ups of painted armies. Ask members of this group
> to send you pictures of their armies as well. How about posting old
> NASAMW articles on the site? Not rules specific but articles that are
> based on the hobby and historical battles/armies.
>
> Information draws people to your site. Advertising creates awareness
> but information stimulates the desire to participate. Anything you
> can add that is visual, stimulates desire even more. WAB succeeds
> because of pictures and that it is distributed where other GW
> merchandise exists. Like them or not but GW's distribution system is
> great and their marketing is second to none. Go to www.games-
> workshop.com and see what they do.
>
> As an aside, what do you think DBA online is doing for DBA? Without
> knowing for sure, I would bet that it is actually helping the hobby.
> Although you lose the feel of figures playing it, DBA online seems to
> cause most players to want a "real" army. When you get right down to
> it, how many of us played with plastic soldiers as kids? I would bet
> that 99% of us did. Wargaming is a cerebral extension of playing
> "soldier boy". Yes, you do have to research, paint, read rules and
> have sound strategy but when you get down to the "nitty gritty" we
> are all still playing with toy soldiers and love it!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Tebo
>
> ----- Forwarded by TEBO CHRIS/HEB45 on 08/14/2002 01:28 PM -----
> webmaster@...
> 08/14/2002 12:50 PM
>
> To: TEBO.CHRIS@...
> cc:
> Subject: Re: Additional WRG 7th Comments - Warrior
> Rules
>
> > Would you include the following on the rules comments on your site?
> I had
> a
> > hard time submitting this with your new comments engine.
>
> Actually, that's the "old" comments engine - the Rules section at TMP
> is
> closed for remodeling (see
> http://theminiaturespage.com/reconstruction.mv).
>
> What I can do for now is this:
> * updated our listing for Four Horsemen (didn't know about the URL)
> * updated our listing for WRG to include a link to Four Horsemen
> * will run a notice on tomorrow's website about Four Horsemen's
> website
>
> - Bill Armintrout, editor
> The Miniatures Page
> http://theminiaturespage.com
>
>
>
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[Mark Mallard]

I would be happy to put together a ranking system. As i have done it before
for a pool team, largely based on chess ranking system which is proven and i
am familiar with.

The best way to avoid cheating via bogus results would be to have a nominal
annual membership which could go towards competition prizes.

I would suggest that if this is to be truly international, then these pools
of money should be, kept seperate for use in each country.

This would mean each player has a member number with a country suffix and
results would need to be submitted with players names in a consistent form,
preferably with the member number, inc suffix.

My only concern is the possible number of players & results.

I would be happy to do the number crunching for now for free, but i think
another volunteeer could collect the results and forward to me. I envisage
doing a monthly calculation.

I would only need the result win, lose or draw.

Your thoughts?

mark mallard




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[joncleaves]

Mark

We will do any ranking system here at FHE, but right now there are no plans
to do one as it does not seem to be helpful in recruiting new players. Jury
is out.


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[Mark Mallard]

A ranking system designed properly can encourage new players because by its
nature it should increase the number of games played and thus there will be
more opportunity for non players to see our game.

If you do decide on doing a ranking system, i will be happy to help.

mark mallard


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I agree to some extent.

Our club is working on a ranking system that is part of a in-club league. At
the end of a season (a year) the ranking will be used to determine who gets
what awards.

Doesn't the US Pike & Shot group do somthing like this, a ranking system
that is part of the year long Reiter Cup???

Some perople love this sorta thing, some absolutly HATE it. I think it would
be great, at least for those who want it. It all depends on how it is all
done, hoe players are ranked, and in what? Do you just rank the BEST
players, or those with the most wins? Could you rank players for other
things as well? Perhaps most improved player, or perhaps armies themselves
could be ranked, such as most successful army. I think if ya get away from
just the 'winning' thing this might HELP draw new players to the game as
well as the ranking system.

Just my thoughts.

--Kutr



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> A ranking system designed properly can encourage new players because by
its
> nature it should increase the number of games played and thus there will
be
> more opportunity for non players to see our game.
>
> If you do decide on doing a ranking system, i will be happy to help.
>
> mark mallard
>
>
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