Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Tim Brown]

Had an interesting question asked of me last night. Ambrose C was
running his Teutons in a 6 SHK & 3 HC formation, the knights had just
pushed back some LMI and had expanded into 2 knight elements across
with the HC behind , the whole body thus shaped like a L . 2nd turn,
I want to support shoot into the combat as a third party. I happen to
be off to his left about 80 paces from a SHK element and roughly 170
paces from the HC. I'm eligible to shoot because the HC aren't in
base in base contact. The question is: Do I measure range to the HC
or the nearest part of the body? Do I take into effect visibility to
the HC -can the SHK in contact in effect 'block' LOS to the HC if so ?
John?

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/23/2003 08:16:35 Central Daylight Time,
browntj007@... writes:

> Had an interesting question asked of me last night. Ambrose C was
> running his Teutons in a 6 SHK &3 HC formation, the knights had just
> pushed back some LMI and had expanded into 2 knight elements across
> with the HC behind , the whole body thus shaped like a L . 2nd turn,
> I want to support shoot into the combat as a third party. I happen to
> be off to his left about 80 paces from a SHK element and roughly 170
> paces from the HC. I'm eligible to shoot because the HC aren't in
> base in base contact. The question is: Do I measure range to the HC
> or the nearest part of the body? Do I take into effect visibility to
> the HC -can the SHK in contact in effect 'block' LOS to the HC if so ?
> John?
>

8.3 says a visible element must not be in contact in order to be shot while
in hth. The HC must be visible and the SHK could be what blocks LOS to that
element. The range is the range from the shooting element to the target
element, so the Hc in this case.

J


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Patrick Byrne]

Follow-up questions:
He had a 3 element body SHK, SHK, HC?

I don't think the rear rank there can elect to stay in the rear rank. I
think only the rear rank can perform the expansion. Jon is this right?
Expanding is not just a reconfiguration of troops, it is only moving rear
elements to the sides. correct?

-PB

> From: "browntj007" <browntj007@...>
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:14:55 -0000
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Support shooting
>
> Had an interesting question asked of me last night. Ambrose C was
> running his Teutons in a 6 SHK & 3 HC formation, the knights had just
> pushed back some LMI and had expanded into 2 knight elements across
> with the HC behind , the whole body thus shaped like a L . 2nd turn,
> I want to support shoot into the combat as a third party. I happen to
> be off to his left about 80 paces from a SHK element and roughly 170
> paces from the HC. I'm eligible to shoot because the HC aren't in
> base in base contact. The question is: Do I measure range to the HC
> or the nearest part of the body? Do I take into effect visibility to
> the HC -can the SHK in contact in effect 'block' LOS to the HC if so ?
> John?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/IMSolB/TM
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>









--------------------------------------------------------


This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential,
privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received
this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the
message. Any other use, disclosure or publication of the message by you is
prohibited.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/24/2003 12:21:30 Central Daylight Time, cuan@...
writes:

> I don't think the rear rank there can elect to stay in the rear rank. I
> think only the rear rank can perform the expansion. Jon is this right?
> Expanding is not just a reconfiguration of troops, it is only moving rear
> elements to the sides. correct?
>

6.123 first sentence: "In an expansion, a body takes up to two elements from
the rear rank(s) and places them in the front rank. The body is then formed
into a block. "

What he did was fine.

Jon


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tim Brown]

The Knight unit was originally in a single element column that
charged, then expanded in the follow up - SHK,SHK,HC. In an
expansion, if I recall correctly, you don't have to maintain even
ranks even if regulars. Why could the HC NOT elect to stay in the
rear in this case? The original question remains, however.


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick" <cuan@w...> wrote:
> Follow-up questions:
> He had a 3 element body SHK, SHK, HC?
>
> I don't think the rear rank there can elect to stay in the rear
rank. I
> think only the rear rank can perform the expansion. Jon is this
right?
> Expanding is not just a reconfiguration of troops, it is only
moving rear
> elements to the sides. correct?
>
> -PB
>
> > From: "browntj007" <browntj007@y...>
> > Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:14:55 -0000
> > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [WarriorRules] Support shooting
> >
> > Had an interesting question asked of me last night. Ambrose C was
> > running his Teutons in a 6 SHK & 3 HC formation, the knights had
just
> > pushed back some LMI and had expanded into 2 knight elements
across
> > with the HC behind , the whole body thus shaped like a L . 2nd
turn,
> > I want to support shoot into the combat as a third party. I
happen to
> > be off to his left about 80 paces from a SHK element and roughly
170
> > paces from the HC. I'm eligible to shoot because the HC aren't in
> > base in base contact. The question is: Do I measure range to the
HC
> > or the nearest part of the body? Do I take into effect visibility
to
> > the HC -can the SHK in contact in effect 'block' LOS to the HC if
so ?
> > John?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------
--~-->
> > Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's
Important Questions.
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/IMSolB/TM
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
---~->
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain
confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private
information. If you have received this message in error, please
notify the sender immediately and delete the message. Any other use,
disclosure or publication of the message by you is prohibited.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/24/2003 18:28:30 Central Daylight Time, cuan@...
writes:

> Sorry for the misunderstanding. It sounded like the HC, which started in
> the back rank, when expanding did not go to the front rank but instead
> remained in the back rank, whilst the knight in the 2nd rank assumed the
> expanding element spot. Which would, of course, be contrary to the rule
> written below.
> -PB
>

That is not correct, Pat. "Rear rank(s)" and then "formed into a block"
means it could happen either way.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Patrick Byrne]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. It sounded like the HC, which started in
the back rank, when expanding did not go to the front rank but instead
remained in the back rank, whilst the knight in the 2nd rank assumed the
expanding element spot. Which would, of course, be contrary to the rule
written below.
-PB

----- Original Message -----
From: <JonCleaves@...>
To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Support shooting


> In a message dated 6/24/2003 12:21:30 Central Daylight Time, cuan@...
> writes:
>
> > I don't think the rear rank there can elect to stay in the rear rank. I
> > think only the rear rank can perform the expansion. Jon is this right?
> > Expanding is not just a reconfiguration of troops, it is only moving
rear
> > elements to the sides. correct?
> >
>
> 6.123 first sentence: "In an expansion, a body takes up to two elements
from
> the rear rank(s) and places them in the front rank. The body is then
formed
> into a block. "
>
> What he did was fine.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

[Patrick Byrne]

So as a rule, with regards to expanding in general, what is prohibited? or
what is non-legal?
-PB

> From: JonCleaves@...
> Reply-To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:52:09 EDT
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Support shooting
>
> In a message dated 6/24/2003 18:28:30 Central Daylight Time, cuan@...
> writes:
>
>> Sorry for the misunderstanding. It sounded like the HC, which started in
>> the back rank, when expanding did not go to the front rank but instead
>> remained in the back rank, whilst the knight in the 2nd rank assumed the
>> expanding element spot. Which would, of course, be contrary to the rule
>> written below.
>> -PB
>>
>
> That is not correct, Pat. "Rear rank(s)" and then "formed into a block"
> means it could happen either way.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions.
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/IMSolB/TM
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>









--------------------------------------------------------


This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain confidential,
privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received
this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the
message. Any other use, disclosure or publication of the message by you is
prohibited.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 6/25/2003 07:39:18 Central Daylight Time, cuan@...
writes:

> So as a rule, with regards to expanding in general, what is prohibited? or
> what is non-legal?
>

Well, I don't have time for every single illegality, but here's a couple:

-touching one of the original front rank elements in any way as part of the
expansion move
-expanding more than two elements (unless with two maneuvers)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]