Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

At the risk of boring everyone with yet another Swiss list rule
question, I have this to ask.
The list rule now states that Swiss Pike/2HCT are recoiled as an
exception to 11.212
As I see it, since it is an exception to everything in 11.212, this
means that Swiss P/2HCT are not disordered if pushed back by mounted.
Is this one of the intentions of the list rule?



Cheers.............Geoff

[joncleaves]

I just reviewed the errata on our website. It does not say anything about
changing the rules on disorder.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: siwardrocks <geoffcrick@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 21:19:42 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Swiss List rules


At the risk of boring everyone with yet another Swiss list rule
question, I have this to ask.
The list rule now states that Swiss Pike/2HCT are recoiled as an
exception to 11.212
As I see it, since it is an exception to everything in 11.212, this
means that Swiss P/2HCT are not disordered if pushed back by mounted.
Is this one of the intentions of the list rule?



Cheers.............Geoff





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Jon,

I'm glad to find that your intent is that the Swiss are still
disordered if pushed back by mounted.
However, my point is still valid.
Nowhere in section 5.22 ( which covers disorder ) does it say that
foot pushed back by mounted are disordered. The only place this
occurs is in 11.212
As the new list rule effectively replaces the whole of 11.212 ( it
is an exception to it ) the statement only reads that " A Swiss
loose order foot body armed entirely with P or a P/2HCT mix that
receives more hand-to hand casualties than it inflicts and at least
one CPF must recoil". I think this could be easily rectified by
changing it to " A Swiss loose order foot body armed entirely with P
or a P/2HCT mix that receives more hand-to hand casualties than it
inflicts and at least one CPF becomes disordered and must recoil if
fighting mounted, otherwise it must recoil".


Cheers............Geoff


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> I just reviewed the errata on our website. It does not say
anything about changing the rules on disorder.
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: siwardrocks <geoffcrick@o...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 04 May 2005 21:19:42 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] Swiss List rules
>
>
> At the risk of boring everyone with yet another Swiss list rule
> question, I have this to ask.
> The list rule now states that Swiss Pike/2HCT are recoiled as an
> exception to 11.212
> As I see it, since it is an exception to everything in 11.212, this
> means that Swiss P/2HCT are not disordered if pushed back by
mounted.
> Is this one of the intentions of the list rule?
>
>
>
> Cheers.............Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[joncleaves]

<< As the new list rule effectively replaces the whole of 11.212 ( it
is an exception to it )>>

I'm not trying to be difficult, Geoff, but exceptions never replace entire
rules. They only make exceptions to them. If I had to rewrite entire rules
cases every time we made an exception to them, the rules would be 1000 pages
long. I play a lot of games as well as design them and I have never heard of an
exception replacing every word of the rule it is an exception to - only those
parts that are relevant.

<< I think this could be easily rectified by
changing it to " A Swiss loose order foot body armed entirely with P
or a P/2HCT mix that receives more hand-to hand casualties than it
inflicts and at least one CPF becomes disordered and must recoil if
fighting mounted, otherwise it must recoil". >>

However, since it is important to you, I will ask Scott to place the above
wording in his file and he can change that section the next time he updates the
list errata.

Jon


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Thanks Jon. I'm not trying to be difficult either. The list rule
only said that it is an exception to 11.212 it did not specify which
part of it. It is all well and good that it seems obvious which part
you are excepting but, in the case of rules you need to be crystal
clear.
Anyway, if Scott makes a small change to the actual list rule all
confusion will end.


Cheers.............Geoff

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> << As the new list rule effectively replaces the whole of 11.212 (
it
> is an exception to it )>>
>
> I'm not trying to be difficult, Geoff, but exceptions never
replace entire rules. They only make exceptions to them. If I had
to rewrite entire rules cases every time we made an exception to
them, the rules would be 1000 pages long. I play a lot of games as
well as design them and I have never heard of an exception replacing
every word of the rule it is an exception to - only those parts that
are relevant.
>
> << I think this could be easily rectified by
> changing it to " A Swiss loose order foot body armed entirely with
P
> or a P/2HCT mix that receives more hand-to hand casualties than it
> inflicts and at least one CPF becomes disordered and must recoil
if
> fighting mounted, otherwise it must recoil". >>
>
> However, since it is important to you, I will ask Scott to place
the above wording in his file and he can change that section the
next time he updates the list errata.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]