Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mike Turner]

OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort of "enforcement"
by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events, (now
if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
opponents figures! )

I think woods and brush will need to be on a flexible base, just in
case I want to place them on my opponents Hills!

Mike

[scott holder]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "turner1118" <Turnerm@l...>
wrote:
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> OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort
of "enforcement"
> by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events,
(now
> if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
> opponents figures! )

I'm okay with the concept of better terrain. I'm not okay with the
concept of the "someone" being me who, somewhat subjectively, plays
Solomon on whether or not a terrain feature can be used. I can just
see someone in the NICT show up with terrain that they have "worked
on", and try to plan a battle around it (or others like it)
placement, only to have me go "no".

Sorry but I catch enough grief from the assembled player base at any
given East convention to want to add this task.

Again, I'm waaaay okay with ideas about bettering our terrain.
Let's keep talking.

scott

[joncleaves]

I think, Scott, that only some form of 'enforcement' will work. Yes, the
natural path to thinking is that is you - since we are talking about using our
national events to set the stage and you're the NASAMW Warrior Umpire.

But there are other options. I have been in many tourneys where there was a
terrain umpire separate from the rules/adjudication guy.

We have time - this is something I would like to address in 14.0 - which won't
be final until published in July, which means the next national event it would
apply to (unless we count Fall In) is Cold Wars 2006.

It's only been a couple hours and already we have some great ideas - I am sure
in the next few months we can get something everyone is pretty satisfied with.

J

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From: irobot00 <Scott.Holder@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:17:12 -0000
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Terrain for Warrior Events




--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "turner1118" <Turnerm@l...>
wrote:
>
> OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort
of "enforcement"
> by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events,
(now
> if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
> opponents figures! )

I'm okay with the concept of better terrain. I'm not okay with the
concept of the "someone" being me who, somewhat subjectively, plays
Solomon on whether or not a terrain feature can be used. I can just
see someone in the NICT show up with terrain that they have "worked
on", and try to plan a battle around it (or others like it)
placement, only to have me go "no".

Sorry but I catch enough grief from the assembled player base at any
given East convention to want to add this task.

Again, I'm waaaay okay with ideas about bettering our terrain.
Let's keep talking.

scott






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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Good point about the flexible basing. What would you suggest for a good flexible
base? I was thinking of using some of this Golden's gel pumice for my brush (dry
brushed and flocked with static grass). What do you think would work best for
that?

kw

turner1118 <Turnerm@...> wrote:

OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort of "enforcement"
by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events, (now
if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
opponents figures! )

I think woods and brush will need to be on a flexible base, just in
case I want to place them on my opponents Hills!

Mike




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[Mike Turner]

At Origins last year the WWII guys were using the black paper used
when tarring a roof. They cut it to shape, then painted and flocked
it. The woods had individual trees that could be moved to allow
proper placement of troops, the brush or crop field had small clumps
of the appropriate material on small bases they moved around inside
the "field".
The paper can be found in rolls at Home Depot, etc, and is flexible,
but also thick enough to survive multiple uses.

Mike

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, kelly wilkinson
<jwilkinson62@y...> wrote:
> Good point about the flexible basing. What would you suggest for a
good flexible base? I was thinking of using some of this Golden's gel
pumice for my brush (dry brushed and flocked with static grass). What
do you think would work best for that?
>
> kw
>
> turner1118 <Turnerm@l...> wrote:
>
> OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort
of "enforcement"
> by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events, (now
> if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
> opponents figures! )
>
> I think woods and brush will need to be on a flexible base, just in
> case I want to place them on my opponents Hills!
>
> Mike
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[Mike Turner]

Come on Scott, it would be "cool" to see you standing over the
terrain pool table as two guys grab the last hill, and you cut it in
half!

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "irobot00" <Scott.Holder@f...>
wrote:
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> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "turner1118" <Turnerm@l...>
> wrote:
> >
> > OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort
> of "enforcement"
> > by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events,
> (now
> > if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
> > opponents figures! )
>
> I'm okay with the concept of better terrain. I'm not okay with the
> concept of the "someone" being me who, somewhat subjectively, plays
> Solomon on whether or not a terrain feature can be used. I can
just
> see someone in the NICT show up with terrain that they have "worked
> on", and try to plan a battle around it (or others like it)
> placement, only to have me go "no".
>
> Sorry but I catch enough grief from the assembled player base at
any
> given East convention to want to add this task.
>
> Again, I'm waaaay okay with ideas about bettering our terrain.
> Let's keep talking.
>
> scott

[John Murphy]

I ain't gonna read thru this whole thread but I hope you will
consider that most of the long-time minis players I talk to (there
goes that phrase again) have found that 3-D terrain is very
problematic to the various games. If the army men are not flat on
the table measuring becomes problematic and they tend not to stay in
one place well. If stuff like brush or trees are permanently affixed
to the requisite bases the army men can not move around in the woods
etecera.

So as you are "enforcing" anything I hope you will keep a certain
amount of practicality in mind.

That said, stuff like the out-of-production Geo-Hex terrain cloths
with forest floors and plowed fields etcera looks a bunch better
than felt, but is still 2-D and while you can certainly drop trees
on top you can also have a flat surface for dealing with game
mechanics.

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "turner1118" <Turnerm@l...>
wrote:
>
> OK Jon, my answer is yes, I would support some sort
of "enforcement"
> by "someone" that results in better terrain in Warrior events,
(now
> if I could just work on the improvement of the painting of my
> opponents figures! )
>
> I think woods and brush will need to be on a flexible base, just
in
> case I want to place them on my opponents Hills!
>
> Mike

[Phil Gardocki]

Another case of rules inforcing flexable base terrain, is large flexable
string.

String used to be 2000 paces, then it was upsized to 2440, then it was
effectily upsized again by not allowing terrain placement within one element
of .... nothing.

String can easily kill the placement of fixed size terrain, but not as
easily flexable base terrain.

Perhaps a rule that quality terrain can ignore to some extent string
boundries? Not totally, but something like it could penetrate up to 1
element into a string border.

Phil

No need to stick Scott with the arbitration. Anyone who knows the
terrain rules intimately and builds good models can be the terrain
umpire, but I agree with Jon et al that only through enforcement will
the standard rise.
Well, and the sneering of Canadians at poor American terrain might
eventaully have an effect (save your brickbats, I'm American and I
receive the sneers too). They make and play on beautiful terrain up
here... (insert snow joke).
Seriously, Deep Strike, our local terrain building company, is
paying for a terrain quality prize for the Warrior tournaments at CWs.
Maybe one of the DS guys should hone his skills and be the terrain
judge? Or perhaps just the terrain judge mouthpiece?

Chris C.

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>

I'd like to leap to the defense of some forms of terrain; ie, cloth.

Just by way of example, a really excellent "Brush" can be made as follows;

Take a piece of burlap (3.00 per yard tops) and paint it with latex
paint. Paint it brown, and then drybrush it with a lighter color to
taste. Now flock a few portions of it, or even just paint some pale
green swirls.

Now, go to a model shop and by some wodlad's scenics 15mm scale or HO
scale trees. Build and paint and flock them, and stand them on single
bases of plastic card. Better yet, put them on plastic bases with
magnetised bottoms. Flock the tree bases.

You can do the same with small piles of rocks, tufts of grass, bushes,
whatever.

Now go back to your burlap (now dry) and cut it out in shapes that suit
your needs and meet the terrain requirements. The latexed burlap can be
rolled or folded (don't really reccomend the latter) and the magnetized
trees/bushes/rocks will stick inside the lid of your minis case. On
table, lay out the burlap and put a handful of terrain bases (that's
your bushes, trees, rocks) scattered on the burlap. The effect is really
good, it's all storable, and all the terrain bases can be shifted around
when units plow in.

My experience with solid based terrain (much of it truly beautiful) is
that it chips, is damaged in transport, and the "lip" seems to be where
all imporatnt combats take place... I use it, and I love the
appearence, but I would say that some cloth terrain still has a
respected place in the hobby.

Just my 2 cents.

Chris C.

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>

[joncleaves]

I think I may have portrayed myself as too hard on cloth. I do think that there
are many ways to make it look good and it is more easily transported and fits
over other things like hills. All I was saying was a circle cut from the drapes
isn't the most visually appealing.

I think making a digital library of pics of 'good' terrain of various materials
over the next year would be way useful.

J

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian and Sarah <cgc.sjw@...>
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:00:04 -0500
Subject: [WarriorRules] Terrain for Warrior Events




I'd like to leap to the defense of some forms of terrain; ie, cloth.

Just by way of example, a really excellent "Brush" can be made as follows;

Take a piece of burlap (3.00 per yard tops) and paint it with latex
paint. Paint it brown, and then drybrush it with a lighter color to
taste. Now flock a few portions of it, or even just paint some pale
green swirls.

Now, go to a model shop and by some wodlad's scenics 15mm scale or HO
scale trees. Build and paint and flock them, and stand them on single
bases of plastic card. Better yet, put them on plastic bases with
magnetised bottoms. Flock the tree bases.

You can do the same with small piles of rocks, tufts of grass, bushes,
whatever.

Now go back to your burlap (now dry) and cut it out in shapes that suit
your needs and meet the terrain requirements. The latexed burlap can be
rolled or folded (don't really reccomend the latter) and the magnetized
trees/bushes/rocks will stick inside the lid of your minis case. On
table, lay out the burlap and put a handful of terrain bases (that's
your bushes, trees, rocks) scattered on the burlap. The effect is really
good, it's all storable, and all the terrain bases can be shifted around
when units plow in.

My experience with solid based terrain (much of it truly beautiful) is
that it chips, is damaged in transport, and the "lip" seems to be where
all imporatnt combats take place... I use it, and I love the
appearence, but I would say that some cloth terrain still has a
respected place in the hobby.

Just my 2 cents.

Chris C.

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