Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Chris Bump]

In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:51:01 AM Central Standard Time,
spocksleftball@... writes:
20 units at 1616

This list is designed to close fast behind an LI and LC screen and
use the LMI B to pepper a prepared avenue for the shock troops. The
EHC follow along behind the SHC/LHI and/or IrregA HC as they pound
into the enemy soften area prepared by the archers. The MI LTS
simple soak missile fire and lend eagarness to the LI.

Wanax

1616 points is too many. Based on your army organization, your max points is
1603. Need to drop something beyond the merging of two regular units. You
need to deduct at least 13 points.
Chris


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Since we are back on one of my favorite topics, I thought I'd push
out my list for Ewan, Frank and Mark to examin. Here is the 1600
point list I've been working with for Nikephorian.


CNC with 2HC L/B/sh
4x2E RgB EHC/HC L/sh
4x2E RgC LC B/sh B
1x2E RgB SHC L/sh
2x6E IrgB LHI 2HCW/J/sh
3x4E RgD LMI B/sh B
2x6E RgD LI S/sh B
1x9E RgD MI LTS/sh B
1x4E IrgB HC L/B/sh
2x2E IrgA HC L/sh

20 units at 1616

This list is designed to close fast behind an LI and LC screen and
use the LMI B to pepper a prepared avenue for the shock troops. The
EHC follow along behind the SHC/LHI and/or IrregA HC as they pound
into the enemy soften area prepared by the archers. The MI LTS
simple soak missile fire and lend eagarness to the LI.

Wanax

I will. Drop sheilds from the LI
sorry forgot to be exact...
Wanax

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, cncbump@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:51:01 AM Central Standard Time,
> spocksleftball@y... writes:
> 20 units at 1616
>
> This list is designed to close fast behind an LI and LC screen and
> use the LMI B to pepper a prepared avenue for the shock troops.
The
> EHC follow along behind the SHC/LHI and/or IrregA HC as they pound
> into the enemy soften area prepared by the archers. The MI LTS
> simple soak missile fire and lend eagarness to the LI.
>
> Wanax
>
> 1616 points is too many. Based on your army organization, your max
points is
> 1603. Need to drop something beyond the merging of two regular
units. You
> need to deduct at least 13 points.
> Chris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oops that should be LMI, the LI need shields ;0
Wanax

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Wanax Andron"
<spocksleftball@y...> wrote:
> I will. Drop sheilds from the LI
> sorry forgot to be exact...
> Wanax
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, cncbump@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:51:01 AM Central Standard Time,
> > spocksleftball@y... writes:
> > 20 units at 1616
> >
> > This list is designed to close fast behind an LI and LC screen
and
> > use the LMI B to pepper a prepared avenue for the shock troops.
> The
> > EHC follow along behind the SHC/LHI and/or IrregA HC as they
pound
> > into the enemy soften area prepared by the archers. The MI LTS
> > simple soak missile fire and lend eagarness to the LI.
> >
> > Wanax
> >
> > 1616 points is too many. Based on your army organization, your
max
> points is
> > 1603. Need to drop something beyond the merging of two regular
> units. You
> > need to deduct at least 13 points.
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:51:13 Central Standard Time,
spocksleftball@... writes:
CNC with 2HC L/B/sh
4x2E RgB EHC/HC L/sh
4x2E RgC LC B/sh B
1x2E RgB SHC L/sh
2x6E IrgB LHI 2HCW/J/sh
3x4E RgD LMI B/sh B
2x6E RgD LI S/sh B
1x9E RgD MI LTS/sh B
1x4E IrgB HC L/B/sh
2x2E IrgA HC L/sh

20 units at 1616
Well, Boyd, I am apparently not a 'great one'...lol But I'll give you $0.02.
I am assuming this is the early period.

I would not have 4 units of EHC - only two. Lots of people don't like them
but you are playing a Byz list and you work with what you got. EHC *can* shove
back a late roman legio because the shooting factor is a 0 at contact, and
you bought SHC to do that also and those don't do much else. You shouldn't need
four at 1600 and two more HC L, B, Sh would be more flexible and useful, IMO.
However much of the enemy's line you keep back with 4 2E LC, you can keep
back with 2. But you have that minimum...lol I would make at least 2 of the
units B's because they will need to counter and you can use these two to forced
march and counter out of trouble and then the c's as annoyance/flank troops.
You can make one or two of of your EHC the other c's as these are closers and
should not need the morale anyway. Just an option.
Varangians lose -2 to P/LTS and are shieldless on the second bound, but
armored. I presume, then, that these are missile troops killers, which they do
very well. LB *is* a 2 vs them, but 1.5 ranks, so it is essentially a wash. I
have found that in the missile troop killing role, they don't need to be 6E
*if* you keep them with those LMI archers to split fire. It isn't a lot of
points saved, but 4E units has the effect of *making* you not use them where
they
don't belong...lol But a great troop for chasing archers out of a marsh...
S/Sh, B LI rocks. Good choice.
9E of regular close is simply problematic. You will find you will want those
4E and 2E wide options.
7 total units of EHC/HC places you in danger vs the 'Sultanate' type armies
(missile El with proofed cav in between). Of course you can always apply the
Ewan theorem. Pick one type army you simply can't worry about and hope you
don't draw them.... :)

J


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 4/1/2004 08:29:18 Central Standard Time,
spocksleftball@... writes:
Unlike conventional wisedom, I love SHC. The bascially ignore
infantry and just need protection from enemy knights and chariots, so
they will hunker down as my "closer" in the infantry arena.
They can't ignore inf with LB (or CB) and they can be charged by IrrA/B loose
foot.....just some cautions...

J


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Thanks Jon. I had forgotten that if you take SHC you can reduce your
EHC. I would do that and up the Skutatio to 12E. I will also add a
sub perhaps.

yes the idea is to pin and get into a shooting dual with enemy
shooters then use the varangians to screem in and start chopping.
Also close coordination between the shooters and the Ireg HC that
will basically blow enemy HC and below flank troops away, try to turn
a flank, and give the LC micro units a means of stall the enemy line.

Unlike conventional wisedom, I love SHC. The bascially ignore
infantry and just need protection from enemy knights and chariots, so
they will hunker down as my "closer" in the infantry arena.

Wanax

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/31/2004 11:51:13 Central Standard Time,
> spocksleftball@y... writes:
> CNC with 2HC L/B/sh
> 4x2E RgB EHC/HC L/sh
> 4x2E RgC LC B/sh B
> 1x2E RgB SHC L/sh
> 2x6E IrgB LHI 2HCW/J/sh
> 3x4E RgD LMI B/sh B
> 2x6E RgD LI S/sh B
> 1x9E RgD MI LTS/sh B
> 1x4E IrgB HC L/B/sh
> 2x2E IrgA HC L/sh
>
> 20 units at 1616
> Well, Boyd, I am apparently not a 'great one'...lol But I'll give
you $0.02.
> I am assuming this is the early period.
>
> I would not have 4 units of EHC - only two. Lots of people don't
like them
> but you are playing a Byz list and you work with what you got. EHC
*can* shove
> back a late roman legio because the shooting factor is a 0 at
contact, and
> you bought SHC to do that also and those don't do much else. You
shouldn't need
> four at 1600 and two more HC L, B, Sh would be more flexible and
useful, IMO.
> However much of the enemy's line you keep back with 4 2E LC, you
can keep
> back with 2. But you have that minimum...lol I would make at
least 2 of the
> units B's because they will need to counter and you can use these
two to forced
> march and counter out of trouble and then the c's as
annoyance/flank troops.
> You can make one or two of of your EHC the other c's as these are
closers and
> should not need the morale anyway. Just an option.
> Varangians lose -2 to P/LTS and are shieldless on the second bound,
but
> armored. I presume, then, that these are missile troops killers,
which they do
> very well. LB *is* a 2 vs them, but 1.5 ranks, so it is
essentially a wash. I
> have found that in the missile troop killing role, they don't need
to be 6E
> *if* you keep them with those LMI archers to split fire. It isn't
a lot of
> points saved, but 4E units has the effect of *making* you not use
them where they
> don't belong...lol But a great troop for chasing archers out of a
marsh...
> S/Sh, B LI rocks. Good choice.
> 9E of regular close is simply problematic. You will find you will
want those
> 4E and 2E wide options.
> 7 total units of EHC/HC places you in danger vs the 'Sultanate'
type armies
> (missile El with proofed cav in between). Of course you can always
apply the
> Ewan theorem. Pick one type army you simply can't worry about and
hope you
> don't draw them....
>
> J
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/1/2004 08:29:18 Central Standard Time,
> spocksleftball@y... writes:
> Unlike conventional wisedom, I love SHC. The bascially ignore
> infantry and just need protection from enemy knights and chariots,
so
> they will hunker down as my "closer" in the infantry arena.
> They can't ignore inf with LB (or CB) and they can be charged by
IrrA/B loose
> foot.....just some cautions...
>
> J

True, but I see the SHC as a fullback where my LMI B are soaking off
the enemy fire. The Loose IrgA stuff is/should not where I have my
SHC hopefully ;)

Wanax