Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Hello All,

New to the list and Warrior. Just digging out old figures after 10+
year hiatus and had a couple questions after finishing first read of
rules. My compliments FHE, very nice. Now to the questions.

1. In 14.43 it mentions temporary fortifications must be set up in
rear zone. Am I correct in assuming that list rule allowing wagon
laagers in forward supercedes that?

2. I understand that wagon defenders must be placed in base contact
to defend behind the laager. How about if they are going to defend
in the wagons? What about basing? Do you just balance the defending
elements atop the wagons? If one rank is defening in the wagons, can
second rank, behind wagons still fight assuming allowable weapons (B
or JLS?

3. Next question concerns list writing. Looking at 17.1, field
fortifications (I assume wagon laagers) are purchased after terrain
placement by deducting other unit points. I assume this means that
you have a list, and then a sub-list which you substitute if you buy
the laagers after checking out the terrain.

Thanks for any help. Just checking out Eastern European Armies.

John Garlic

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 9/13/2003 16:41:19 Central Daylight Time, jmgarlic@...
writes:
1. In 14.43 it mentions temporary fortifications must be set up in
rear zone. Am I correct in assuming that list rule allowing wagon
laagers in forward supercedes that?
Any list rule allowing TFs set up in the forward zone supercedes the base
rule.


2. I understand that wagon defenders must be placed in base contact
to defend behind the laager. How about if they are going to defend
in the wagons? What about basing? Do you just balance the defending
elements atop the wagons? If one rank is defening in the wagons, can
second rank, behind wagons still fight assuming allowable weapons (B
or JLS?
There is only 'in' the wagons with Fighting Transport (ala Hussites). 99% of
wagon laager is an obstacle and you are set up behind them. They can be
based 1 element wide and as deep as necessary for the model. Obstacles have no
impact on second rank weapons.


3. Next question concerns list writing. Looking at 17.1, field
fortifications (I assume wagon laagers) are purchased after terrain
placement by deducting other unit points. I assume this means that
you have a list, and then a sub-list which you substitute if you buy
the laagers after checking out the terrain.
Yes, or you can just buy the laager straight up.


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[John Garlic]

What about Pecheneg list mentioning high wheeled wagons which they fought
from? If they are allowed to fight from them, would they be allowed to fight
from them on other lists such as the Early Bulgars, and how would they be
mounted?

John Garlic

In a message dated 09/14/03 9:02:37 PM Central Daylight Time,
JonCleaves@... writes:

> 2. I understand that wagon defenders must be placed in base contact
> to defend behind the laager. How about if they are going to defend
> in the wagons? What about basing? Do you just balance the defending
> elements atop the wagons? If one rank is defening in the wagons, can
> second rank, behind wagons still fight assuming allowable weapons (B
> or JLS?
> There is only 'in' the wagons with Fighting Transport (ala Hussites). 99%
> of
> wagon laager is an obstacle and you are set up behind them. They can be
> based 1 element wide and as deep as necessary for the model. Obstacles have
> no
> impact on second rank weapons.



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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 9/14/2003 10:11:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmgarlic writes:

> What about Pecheneg list mentioning high wheeled wagons which they fought
> from? If they are allowed to fight from them, would they be allowed to fight
> from them on other lists such as the Early Bulgars, and how
> would they be
> mounted?>>

The text says the wagon laager can have 'Wagon Defenders'. In cases like this,
you may place an element 'in' the wagon (for aethetics) with any second rank
behind - in this case, the laager remains just an obstacle. It is NOT fighting
transport (and never is unless so costed and listed) and the troops do not use
the fighting transport rules. It is as thought that element 'in' the wagon were
behind the obstacle.