Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Guys,

Earlier, there was interest about a special traveling trophy for the
NICT winner. The trophy would have the names of all the NICT winners.

I have a trophy company, which will do the work a little above cost
(he is a gamer and the owner). The plan he has recommended is a Bowl
placed on top of a pedestal. The Bowl and pedestal will have space
for engraving. The cost will start small about $50 for the bowl and
grow with the addition of the pedestal plus $100.

I purpose that the Warrior NICT players pay an additional $5 entry
fee for 2 years to cover the initial cost. Shipping and engraving
cost will need the to be worked in later.

I need to know if the Warrior community will support this.

Eric Turner
President NASAMW

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/25/2004 3:51:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
eric.turner1@... writes:

> I need to know if the Warrior community will support this.
>
> Eric Turner
> President NASAMW>>

I would pay that fee, Eric. And I'll look into an FHE contribution to it if it
turns out to be what players want.
J

[Ewan McNay]

wdknee88 wrote:
> Earlier, there was interest about a special traveling trophy for the
> NICT winner. The trophy would have the names of all the NICT winners.

...and I think the consensus was, should go back to the first
NICT in 6th.

> I have a trophy company, which will do the work a little above cost
> (he is a gamer and the owner). The plan he has recommended is a Bowl
> placed on top of a pedestal. The Bowl and pedestal will have space
> for engraving. The cost will start small about $50 for the bowl and
> grow with the addition of the pedestal plus $100.

How many names will this pedestal have room for? How many do we
currently need to engraave?

> I purpose that the Warrior NICT players pay an additional $5 entry
> fee for 2 years to cover the initial cost. Shipping and engraving
> cost will need the to be worked in later.

Oh, sure. Above are just details. Although naming it after some
irrelevant 'sport' is obviously in error .

E

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> wdknee88 wrote:
> > Earlier, there was interest about a special traveling trophy for
the
> > NICT winner. The trophy would have the names of all the NICT
winners.
>
> ...and I think the consensus was, should go back to the first
> NICT in 6th.

ET- Yes



>
> > I have a trophy company, which will do the work a little above
cost
> > (he is a gamer and the owner). The plan he has recommended is a
Bowl
> > placed on top of a pedestal. The Bowl and pedestal will have
space
> > for engraving. The cost will start small about $50 for the bowl
and
> > grow with the addition of the pedestal plus $100.
>
> How many names will this pedestal have room for? How many do we
> currently need to engraave?

ET- pedistal about 40 and the Bowl about 20

>
> > I purpose that the Warrior NICT players pay an additional $5
entry
> > fee for 2 years to cover the initial cost. Shipping and engraving
> > cost will need the to be worked in later.
>
> Oh, sure. Above are just details. Although naming it after some
> irrelevant 'sport' is obviously in error .

The details can't be worked out until the design (size) is known and
number of names.
Well as far as irrelevant goes, english futball Fans are the
definition of irrelevent. SO Don't say a thing about high sticking.
The South Africians say Wargaming is a sport. I agree with them.
>
> E

I am all for this, but is a cup appropriate? This is Warrior, how
about a Roman or other ancient helmet on top of a pedastal? If 40
names can be put on the pedastal, no need to inscribe any on the
helmet, or cup if that is the way this goes. 40 names = 40 NICT
Champions = 40 years, yes?

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "wdknee88" <eric.turner1@c...>
wrote:
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, Ewan McNay <ewan.mcnay@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > wdknee88 wrote:
> > > Earlier, there was interest about a special traveling trophy
for
> the
> > > NICT winner. The trophy would have the names of all the NICT
> winners.
> >
> > ...and I think the consensus was, should go back to the first
> > NICT in 6th.
>
> ET- Yes
>
>
>
> >
> > > I have a trophy company, which will do the work a little above
> cost
> > > (he is a gamer and the owner). The plan he has recommended is a
> Bowl
> > > placed on top of a pedestal. The Bowl and pedestal will have
> space
> > > for engraving. The cost will start small about $50 for the bowl
> and
> > > grow with the addition of the pedestal plus $100.
> >
> > How many names will this pedestal have room for? How many do we
> > currently need to engraave?
>
> ET- pedistal about 40 and the Bowl about 20
>
> >
> > > I purpose that the Warrior NICT players pay an additional $5
> entry
> > > fee for 2 years to cover the initial cost. Shipping and
engraving
> > > cost will need the to be worked in later.
> >
> > Oh, sure. Above are just details. Although naming it after some
> > irrelevant 'sport' is obviously in error .
>
> The details can't be worked out until the design (size) is known
and
> number of names.
> Well as far as irrelevant goes, english futball Fans are the
> definition of irrelevent. SO Don't say a thing about high sticking.
> The South Africians say Wargaming is a sport. I agree with them.
> >
> > E

Howsabout we combine the hockey symbolism with something from NASAMW's
past -

The Kruse Smythe Trophy

:-)

Ewan McNay wrote:

>
>
> wdknee88 wrote:
> > Earlier, there was interest about a special traveling trophy for the
> > NICT winner. The trophy would have the names of all the NICT winners.
>
> ...and I think the consensus was, should go back to the first
> NICT in 6th.
>
> > I have a trophy company, which will do the work a little above cost
> > (he is a gamer and the owner). The plan he has recommended is a Bowl
> > placed on top of a pedestal. The Bowl and pedestal will have space
> > for engraving. The cost will start small about $50 for the bowl and
> > grow with the addition of the pedestal plus $100.
>
> How many names will this pedestal have room for? How many do we
> currently need to engraave?
>
> > I purpose that the Warrior NICT players pay an additional $5 entry
> > fee for 2 years to cover the initial cost. Shipping and engraving
> > cost will need the to be worked in later.
>
> Oh, sure. Above are just details. Although naming it after some
> irrelevant 'sport' is obviously in error .
>
> E
>
>
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[Ewan McNay]

Chris Campbell wrote:
> I am all for this, but is a cup appropriate? This is Warrior, how
> about a Roman or other ancient helmet on top of a pedastal? If 40
> names can be put on the pedastal, no need to inscribe any on the
> helmet, or cup if that is the way this goes. 40 names = 40 NICT
> Champions = 40 years, yes?

Yes to that last. And I would have thought it would be easy to
add more simply by adding an additional plinth.
The UK has (or at least had) very cool trophies with Greek busts,
helmets, and such, and I agree they are superior to the usual
trophies.

[John Murphy]

--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Campbell"
<HGrueber@h...> wrote:
> I am all for this, but is a cup appropriate? This is Warrior, how
> about a Roman or other ancient helmet on top of a pedastal?

Taking this idea to one logical next step - How about a nice painted
120mm resin figure, perhaps of the NASAMW cataphract or the Warrior
Teutonic knight - or even one of each? Someone would have to
volunteer or be paid to paint the thing - and this might require
touch-ups to be done over the years. But I think that would be very
symbolic of the rules set and/or the society as well as being a real
handsome trophy to show off.

That said it is likely to never end up _my_ possession so maybe a
good idea would be to poll past 6th/7th/Warrior NASAMW NICT winners
on what they think about this.

[Chris Bump]

Agreeing with John in that I will likely never have my name on said trophy, I
make no claim to the legitimacy of my suggestion. However, if the stars were
aligned and the Gods were smiling on me I'd rather see a replica helmet on a
pedestal with the engravings along the base. Won't break like a figure
eventually would, won't need touch up like a figure would and is shineeeeey.
I'm visualizing a Roman version from the 1st century, but a hoplite version with
a nice horsehair crest could be very impressive as well.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: johnmurphyprofile
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 8:25 AM
Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: Warrior "Stanley Cup"


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Campbell"
<HGrueber@h...> wrote:
> I am all for this, but is a cup appropriate? This is Warrior, how
> about a Roman or other ancient helmet on top of a pedastal?

Taking this idea to one logical next step - How about a nice painted
120mm resin figure, perhaps of the NASAMW cataphract or the Warrior
Teutonic knight - or even one of each? Someone would have to
volunteer or be paid to paint the thing - and this might require
touch-ups to be done over the years. But I think that would be very
symbolic of the rules set and/or the society as well as being a real
handsome trophy to show off.

That said it is likely to never end up _my_ possession so maybe a
good idea would be to poll past 6th/7th/Warrior NASAMW NICT winners
on what they think about this.



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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/26/2004 9:25:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jjmurphy@... writes:

> maybe a
> good idea would be to poll past 6th/7th/Warrior NASAMW NICT
> winners
> on what they think about this.>>

This begs the question as to what exactly this trophy will be called.....lol

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 5/26/2004 9:35:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cncbump@... writes:

> I'd rather see a replica helmet on a pedestal with the engravings along the
base. Won't break like a figure eventually would, won't need touch up like a
figure would and is shineeeeey. >>

havign a few trophies that are painted figures, they are impoossible to keep in
their original form without chipping or breaking. I too would vote for a
helmet.

now - what to call this thing. I certainly do not want to oppose those early
winners of 6th and 7th, but we are talking three different games here, however
similar their legacy. i think we should include everyone if that is what the
majority wants, but also think the WRG Anicents 6th/WRG Ancients 7th/Warrior
NICT Trophy is a contrived title.

Thoughts?

[Chris Bump]

I have not said anything about adding all the past winners but have always
thought it trite. Going back to the beginning you have a completely different
game, a game by the way that in the end was so contentious that I recall dice
being flung across the room to other's peril and people being banned from
playing in tournaments. A gaming community that was so fragmented that the
moment dba came out we started to see movement away from the game and within a
year of DBM our player base was virtually gone. With what you have created with
Warrior, I do not believe such things would happen again. Despite who won
previous national titles, and I am sure it took the same degree of skill, it was
a different game. If you feel a need to add previous winners then the point of
when to start seems arbitrary and hence the need to add everyone. The trophy is
for the Warrior National Champion, at least that is what I would vote for. So I
would say to all previous Nationals winners, "Congratulations on your past
victories. They were well won and you were rewarded with a plaque for them, but
if you want your name on this trophy you have to do it again." Super bowl
winners start with Super bowl I, not with all the NFL and AFL champions prior to
the merge.

For what its worth.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: JonCleaves@...
To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Warrior "Stanley Cup"


In a message dated 5/26/2004 9:35:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cncbump@... writes:

> I'd rather see a replica helmet on a pedestal with the engravings along the
base. Won't break like a figure eventually would, won't need touch up like a
figure would and is shineeeeey. >>

havign a few trophies that are painted figures, they are impoossible to keep
in their original form without chipping or breaking. I too would vote for a
helmet.

now - what to call this thing. I certainly do not want to oppose those early
winners of 6th and 7th, but we are talking three different games here, however
similar their legacy. i think we should include everyone if that is what the
majority wants, but also think the WRG Anicents 6th/WRG Ancients 7th/Warrior
NICT Trophy is a contrived title.

Thoughts?

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[Ewan McNay]

JonCleaves@... wrote:
> now - what to call this thing. I certainly do not want to
> oppose those early winners of 6th and 7th, but we are talking
> three different games here, however similar their legacy. i
> think we should include everyone if that is what the majority
> wants, but also think the WRG Anicents 6th/WRG Ancients
> 7th/Warrior NICT Trophy is a contrived title.

Well, sure, but would anyone ever suggest calling it that? Just
call it "The Caesar" or "Our Sacred Standard" or whatever. The
"Kruse Smith memorial" is fine with me.

Is this really an issue? :)

[scott holder]

I have not said anything about adding all the past winners but have always
thought it trite. Going back to the beginning you have a completely different
game, a game by the way that in the end was so contentious that I recall dice
being flung across the room to other's peril and people being banned from
playing in tournaments.

>I've seen dice flung......15 years ago.

>I've never banned a person from a tourney although have had cause in a couple
of instances.

>We should, imnsho, go back to the first 7th Ed champion. That is our origin
after all.

scott

[joncleaves]

Personally, I would choose a Warrior-only trophy for reasons I think would be
obvious...lol

But this is a NASAMW thing and the majority of Warrior players who are NASAMW
members should have the say, whatever that is.

J