Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Hello,
Having just discovered this site I am probably a little behind the power curve regarding questions on this rules set.
1.  Was there any discussion given regarding evading mounted taking fatigue I've always felt they should take something since presumably they are running away as fast as the chargers are charging.
2.  How are you planning on handling a two on one wedge charge to the front ?  One thought is prempt and cancel making the one counter charge, the original charger then just watches, or the one who is closest goes head to head while the other one gets to go for the flank if it can reach it.

Thank you.
Bob Parrish


                             

[joncleaves]

<< Hello,
Having just discovered this site I am probably a little behind the power
curve regarding questions on this rules set.
1. Was there any discussion given regarding evading mounted taking fatigue
I've always felt they should take something since presumably they are
running
away as fast as the chargers are charging.>>

We've given it a great deal of examination. Please remember that 'fatigue'
points are really 'effectiveness' points and much more than simply a
measurement of how tired a man or horse gets. In that light, the mechanic
works exactly as it is supposed to.

<< 2. How are you planning on handling a two on one wedge charge to the
front ? >>

Wedges don't work that way any more. You don't make the formation. Troops
listed as wedging fight 1.5 ranks when charging or countercharging. And then
only if they have a weapon that does not already get 1.5 ranks or more. In
our lists, this situation will be cleaned up so you don't have to say that
last part.

Welcome.
Jon

Jon,
Then skip the wedge part. How do handle a two on one frontal charge by mounted.


                                                    X       X
                                                          
                                                         A
Everyone is within charge reach.
Thanks
Bob.                                               

[joncleaves]

Sorry, but this still leaves a lot of questions. Can one of the X's get to
the flank of A? How big across are each of these things?

These are both 2 stands of 6 figure cavalry, yes both units or x's can reach either flank of A if A were to stand still for it.
Bob.

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 2/6/01 8:12:53 PM Central Standard Time,
parrishbob@... writes:

<< These are both 2 stands of 6 figure cavalry, yes both units or x's can
reach
either flank of A if A were to stand still for it.
Bob. >>

Well that narrows it down a little. Now I need to know:

How many elements across are they?
How big is A?
Is A nonimpetuous foot? Is A charging also? Is A able to countercharge?

I'm not being difficult, but the answer would be different in each case.
If I assume A is one element wide and since you told me either of the X's
could reach his flank in an angled charge, then A's charge would be cancelled
by one of those (presuming it could charge in the first place) and it would
be hit in both flanks. However, this answer is based ONLY on those
assumptions. If A were two or more elements wide, its charge path might be
wide enough to include both X's and they's all be hitting each other's fronts.
Tell you what, I'll make sure a similar diagram is one of our charging
examples.
Jon

All three units are cavalry. They are each one stand wide and two stands deep.
                                                       
                                                       X
                                                       X
                                                    
                                                    A    A
                                                    A    A

X  can declare and reach both A's and vice/versa. X and A can also be impetuous.
Thanks I hope I did not miss anything.

[joncleaves]

The way I read the diagram, one of the two units will cancel the single
unit's charge. This primarily because there is no way from the position
shown for the single unit to get both enemy units inside it charge path.

If, in addition to this, once the single unit's charge is cancelled, one or
both of the other units make contact on one or both of the single unit's side
edges, there may be one or two flank charges here as well.

Bottom line, usually better to have two things than one.

[Jake Kovel]

There is going to be a Fast Warrior tournament at Spring Manuevers, Fort
Leavenworth on 24 February. The tournament will be run during the afternoon
session on Saturday. There will be prizes, gift certificates, if there are 6
or more players. The plan is to run 3-4 one hour rounds. It will be in
15mm. If you need a list for your particular army, ask Jon or me and we will
send you the list.
Jacob Kovel
aka The Money Horseman

[Patrick Byrne]

If both A's declare a charge (imp or not) on unit X, and they both can and
choose to reach
X's flank, then X's charge, wether impetuos or not, is pre-empted. (6.165 'a
body's charge
is canceled if: a charge is declared against it by enemy not already in or
moving into the path
of the charge')
X may counter-charge the A unit who is most directly to its front (6.166 under
'counter-
charge restrictions'). When lining up the units, set the charging units up
first (meeting half-
way), then line up the other A.

Now if only one of the A's charges (imp or not), then X had better hope he
declared his
charge against the charging A. If he picked the charging A then he gets his
impetuous charge
and they both meet in the middle. If he picked the non-charging A, his charge
is canceled
(per the above 6.165 rule). This is why it is important to write down the
charges declared
(including whom is being charged).

Please correct me if I am wrong.

-PB


> ** Original Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] WarriorRules
> ** Original Sender: parrishbob@...
> ** Original Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:57:11 -0500

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> All three units are cavalry. They are each one stand wide and two stands deep.
>
> X
> X
>
> A A
> A A
>
> X can declare and reach both A's and vice/versa. X and A can also be
> impetuous.
> Thanks I hope I did not miss anything.


>** --------- End Original Message ----------- **

>

[Patrick Byrne]

If both A's declare a charge (imp or not) on unit X, and they both can and
choose to reach
X's flank, then X's charge, wether impetuos or not, is pre-empted. (6.165 'a
body's charge
is canceled if: a charge is declared against it by enemy not already in or
moving into the path
of the charge')
X may counter-charge the A unit who is most directly to its front (6.166 under
'counter-
charge restrictions'). When lining up the units, set the charging units up
first (meeting half-
way), then line up the other A.

Now if only one of the A's charges (imp or not), then X had better hope he
declared his
charge against the charging A. If he picked the charging A then he gets his
impetuous charge
and they both meet in the middle. If he picked the non-charging A, his charge
is canceled
(per the above 6.165 rule). This is why it is important to write down the
charges declared
(including whom is being charged).

Please correct me if I am wrong.

-PB


> ** Original Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] WarriorRules
> ** Original Sender: parrishbob@...
> ** Original Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:57:11 -0500

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> All three units are cavalry. They are each one stand wide and two stands deep.
>
> X
> X
>
> A A
> A A
>
> X can declare and reach both A's and vice/versa. X and A can also be
> impetuous.
> Thanks I hope I did not miss anything.


>** --------- End Original Message ----------- **

>

[joncleaves]

Ft Leavenworth is 35 mi NW of Kansas City.

[Rob Turnball]

Where is Fort Leavenworth?
Robert Turnbull
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To: <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] WarriorRules


> There is going to be a Fast Warrior tournament at Spring Manuevers, Fort
> Leavenworth on 24 February. The tournament will be run during the
afternoon
> session on Saturday. There will be prizes, gift certificates, if there
are 6
> or more players. The plan is to run 3-4 one hour rounds. It will be in
> 15mm. If you need a list for your particular army, ask Jon or me and we
will
> send you the list.
> Jacob Kovel
> aka The Money Horseman
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>

Robert,

I think it's in Kansas USA. A bit far for a boy downunder to drop in
for the weekend. ;)

Cheers

--- In WarriorRules@y..., "Robert J. Turnbull" <rjturnbull@b...>
wrote:
> Where is Fort Leavenworth?
> Robert Turnbull
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Eaglewars@a...>
> To: <WarriorRules@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] WarriorRules
>
>
> > There is going to be a Fast Warrior tournament at Spring
Manuevers, Fort
> > Leavenworth on 24 February. The tournament will be run during the
> afternoon
> > session on Saturday. There will be prizes, gift certificates, if
there
> are 6
> > or more players. The plan is to run 3-4 one hour rounds. It will
be in
> > 15mm. If you need a list for your particular army, ask Jon or me
and we
> will
> > send you the list.
> > Jacob Kovel
> > aka The Money Horseman
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > WarriorRules-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >

[Jake Kovel]

Fort Leavenworth is in northeast Kansas, near Kansas City.