Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

scott holder · Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject:

FYI: Massive Holy Warrior errata is now posted at the FHE home page and as an attachment to a post over in the Army list section.

You'll need this for Hcon 2011 if you plan on running any armies from this book.

scott

scott holder · Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:25 pm Post subject:

Just made a couple of minor tweaks to the first post.

scott

Dennis Shorthouse

Scott hi,

Siculo-Norman List 8 Feudal Warrrior

1. Can the Milites use the Norman Cavalry rule?

2. Can the Reg close/loose order foot troops use the
Shield Wall Rule

3. Do the Barbarian Foot rules apply?

thanks for your answers, Dennis

Frank Gilson · Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: Feudal Warrior update

There's a Feudal Warrior update in the works to discuss issues like Shieldwall (not for very many guys or many lists, but some), Norman-ness (some HC will get it as appropriate), and Barbarian-ness.

Brief partial answers for you Dennis:
1) List 8 Norman Milites - probably the HC will get Norman Cav rules, but not HK, etc.

2) List 8 shieldwall - probably not

3) List 8 - Barbarian foot rules, not sure yet

Frank

Dennis Shorthouse · Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:31 pm Post subject: Irr vs Reg in ShieldWall

Frank hi,

At present the ShieldWall rule refers to close/loose order troops. It
does not distinguish between Irr and Reg troops. I would argue that
if Irr troops can stand in a 'disciplined line' that Reg troops that meet
all the other criteria should also be able.

regards, Dennis

Frank Gilson · Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: who are the troops?

More of an issue, Dennis, is who exactly are the guys who would be using Shieldwall?

Where did they come from?

Were they guys (or directly related to such) who did have documented use of shieldwall? (generally western and northern European troops within a certain time frame)

I can't speak to matters of history, much. That's in the hands of Scott Holder and Bill Low.

Dennis Shorthouse · Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: Who gets to use the ShieldWall

Frank,

Dark Age Warrior
List 6:
Comiatatus and Civic Militia armed with JLS
List 18:
Lombard Spearmen with JLS
List 20:
Anadalusian Spearmen with JLS
List 21:
Upgraded Axmen/Spearmen
List 23:
Militia Spearmen with JLS

Feudal Warrior:
List 8:

Italian Communal Infantry with either 2HCW or JLS

scott holder · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject:

Dennis:

I'm not getting what you're getting at with that list of troops.

I can say that it's unlikely that the Italian Communal troops will "get" shieldwall. There's simply no evidence that the formation was used in that area during that time. Moreover, while there will be some bleedover from DAW in terms of special rules, keep in mind that Shieldwall was predominately a formation with documentation for the armies covered by that book, not much outside of that book.

scott

Dennis Shorthouse · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject: Shieldwall

Scott hi,

the list was a response to Frank.

My original question was about the fact that
the Shieldwall rule just says Close/Loose order troops.

So can the Regular Troops in the DarkAge book use
Shieldwall if they meet all the other criteria
ie. specific lists, weapons etc

Dennis

scott holder · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject:

Since we made no mention, deliberately, of Reg or Irr, take it literally.

Which means yeah, unless specified in the list itself as not being able to form it, Regs in the lists enumerated for DAW if they meet all the other criteria can form Shieldwall.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure Bill will be telling me shortly. Smile

scott

scott holder · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject:

Another update made to the Theme armies lists, namely more troops types and nationalities excluded.

scott

Frank Gilson