Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[lilroblis]

AS I read the rules - one may choose to run an irregular Hoplite list - but all figures must be IRR or none
That is unless you are running Spartans - in which case it does not apply. What about Healots/slaves?
Just playing with list ideas
Thoughts?

[Ed Kollmer]

I don't have the list in front of me but what does it mean that it does not apply to Spartans? Do you mean that all spartans are Reg?
Ed the Leonidas

[lilroblis]

Ed
The early list says that Hoplites can be Irr - but all or none with teh exception of Biotion and Spartiates and Laekodeamons .
The thought is to use irregular and irregular hoplites - it is expensive, however but the combat vs the super deep taxix:
16 @4 = 48
vs
24@3 =60 (for this the super deep have to be 6 ranks deep so a 48 man unit vs a 16 man unit and a swing of 1 on the dice means the 16 beats the 48 man. My guess is that peoiple will erun 24 man units in conga lines:
8@4 = 24
12 @3 30
second turn 12@3
vs 12 at 2
so the huge block keeps winning but with any dice roll changing that. Not sure it is worth it, but it could be worth a shot - because you cannot afford too many big taxis.

[Ed Kollmer]

I see what you mean and it has me thinking. I probably won't use the Early list since I really like the Later list, but your point is well taken.
My problem, which you pointed out, is that they are expensive and I know I am always trying to cover my flanks. I try to use terrain to help.
Ed the Leonidas

[lilroblis]

Ed
I am planning on using the early list. My list so far is as follows:
CinC and Spartiates/Laekodeamons
4 more mixed units
2 units of Li, jls, sh
2 units of peltasts
1 unit of Reg D Hoplites
Ally + Irr HI, LTS, Jls, Sh - six elements
3X 2 elemant HC L
1X 12 elemwnts LC B
6 elements li B
8 elements LI, jls, sh
Not a great army but very playable, and able to fight just about anything. Vs the big taxis to be better they would need 48 man units, and even if they did:
24@3 (reg C) vs 20 @3 (reg A and B) - I win or draw 41.75% of the time if my math is correct, and if I win second round is better etc , if we draw I win 57% of the time - so not bad - and points wise my unit is 140 points - his is 218 - so I will have higher numbers - more troops - so a decent list. I struggles against lots of really good light cavalry - (Thessalians or Scythians) but do pretty well otherwise.
Thoughts

[Ed Kollmer]

I will have to look at this army.
HC with L
It seems you have quite a bite of LC B.
Who is the Ally Gen. ?
I have to get the book from Matt and look at it.
Seems very interesting.
ED the Maybe Early Spartan.

[lilroblis]

That shouldm have been 6 elements LC - will send more details later

[joncleaves]

Lists are Scott's baby. Not sure why he has not answered - will ask him to get you an answer.

[Bill Low]

Lakedaimonian/Spartiate and Theban-led Boiotian Hoplites are always Reg.

If one runs any Irr Hoplites, then all non-Lakedaimonian/Spartiate/Boiotian Hoplites must be Irr. The exception to the “all/none” applies only to these particular named varieties, and other Hoplites in a Spartan- or Theban-led army can be Irr.

Helots are not Hoplites; the Irr Hoplite rule does not apply to them. We may consider whether upgraded Neodamodeis should get the Hoplite rules.

BTW, there should not be a lot of Scythians in the Theme. We hope to be posting participating lists and list modifications shortly.

[lilroblis]

Bill the way I read this was that the Spartan and laekodeamons were regular the allies irregular - fits my story for my army, but may not be historically correct.
The figs you see painted are amazons which I got in a trade - so was planning to run them and maybe one other unit as IRR - very expensive, but in an all comers list has some advantages against elephants etc.