Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Frank Gilson]

Someone has been painting a Zulu army...Matt Kollmer?

Here is Jamie's list from 2016 NCT:
CinC 2 RA/RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 145
2 RA LMI HTW JLS Sh 66
2 RA LMI HTW JLS Sh 66
2 RA LMI HTW JLS Sh 66
2 RA LMI ½ 2HCW JLS Sh 62
2 RA LMI ½ 2HCW JLS Sh 62
6 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 154
6 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 154
4 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 106
2 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 58
2 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 58
2 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 58
2 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 58
Sub 2 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 92
2 RB LMI HTW JLS Sh 58
6 RC LMI JLS Sh 106
6 RC LMI JLS Sh 106
2 RC LMI JLS Sh 42
2 RC LMI JLS Sh 42
2 RC LMI JLS Sh 42

He chose to use a mix of units sizes and equipment. It looks like he has a 'delaying' command for terrain in the Sub General and an 'attacking' command under the CinC. Strangely this is zero scouting points when some LI is available.

I naively throw together this:
Zulu
CinC 2E Reg A/B LMI HTW,JLS,Sh 145
Sub 2E Reg B LMI HTW,JLS,Sh 92
3 units of 6E Irr C LI B,Sh/B 165
4 units of 4E Reg B LMI HTW,JLS,Sh 424
3 units of 4E Reg A LMI HTW,JLS,Sh 366
4E Reg C LMI HTW,JLS,Sh 90
3 units of 4E Reg B LMI HTW,JLS,Sh 318 = 1600
16 units, 2 cmds, 9 SP

Fewer units, more morale, some LI for a little scouting, all HTW.

This, plus their Bantu Infantry rules, look good against enemy heavy-infantry armies such as MesoAmerican...but very poor against SHK, EHK, SHC or even any mounted lancer heavy army.

Debate!

Frank

[Mark Stone]

For the lazy, can you tell us what the Bantu infantry rules are?

[Frank Gilson]

[lilroblis]

Anyone else struggle to see them?

[jamiepwhite]

Derek had a picture of someone's Zulu camp, it was very impressive.

The LI is irregular and doesn't benefit from any of the infantry rules. If Zulu warriors could be LI so that you would have regular LI, I would have bought some. The RB Zulu foot in small units does just fine as a substitute for LI.

The sub command is exactly for that, cheaper Zulu foot for occupying terrain and delaying on a front.

The NICT list has the 2HCW units as RA, from game play experience the list would be a little more effective with RB 2HCW units and more of the 2 RA LMI HTW JLS Sh units.

Knights aren't really the problem for Zulus because of the extra fatigues on their charge, it's armies like Rajput with lots of EHC and HC lancers that keep rolling long are the problem.

[Todd Kaeser]

The small units that can swarm areas are a challenge to an opponent - especially if waivers are passed.

[Mark Stone]

I see nothing but problems for this army facing any list with significant mounted shock troops. On the other hand, it will demolish Oriental archer armies (LTS,B types), and do quite well against Meso Americans.

Paper, scissors, rock... the Circle of Life continues.

[Todd Kaeser]

I think the Zulus take the minus vs. LTS/P right even though they are HTW armed?

Todd

[lilroblis]

They do take the minus - but 6@5 vs 8@4 - even fight - but you pick the point , and can break off if you like

[Mark Stone]

[Matt Kollmer]

I actually just finished my Zulus:-). Maybe I'll try to post some pics on here.
I may have to retool a bit.... I did use LI, but I bought some IA LMI 2HCW JLS sh as follow up shock. They still benefit from bantu rules, but maybe too fragile and those points better spent on regulars.
I like the list a lot but I'm not a fan of its weakness to cav at all. I'll need to be a better player to get results with the army I'm afraid.
I'll post the list I made and then post one that I'm not thinking about now.
Both lists above are interesting

[Matt Kollmer]

here was the list I built.....I think itll be a more fun list than a competition list, I want to try the suggestions of all Regs and using small units at some point...this list will likely have some weaknesses:

2 **R/A LMI HTW JLS sh
2 *R/A LMI HTW JLS sh
6 R/C LMI HTW JLS sh
6 R/C LMI HTW JLS sh
6 R/C LMI HTW JLS sh
6 R/C LMI HTW JLS sh
4 R/B LMI HTW JLS sh
4 R/B LMI HTW JLS sh
4 R/B LMI HTW JLS sh
4 R/B LMI HTW JLS sh
2 I/A LMI JLS sh 1/2 2HCW
2 I/A LMI JLS sh 1/2 2HCW
2 I/A LMI JLS sh 1/2 2HCW
10 I/C LI B 1/2 sh
4 I/C LI JLS sh
4 I/C LI JLS sh

1601 pts with 9 Scouting

[Frank Gilson]

I played my list version today against Japanese...

Said Japanese failed to get more than two minor plus die rolls, rest were a mixture of evens and several downs.

Of course that led to Japanese units blowing up from fatigue totals.

Passed my wavers for being charged by the little Japanese mounted that existed, which bounced off.

Japanese really need to win, then get a big plus in round 2...or they exhaust out.

All the flexibility and maneuver/attack timing is the Zulu here.

[Matt Kollmer]

Japanese are a lot of fun but your right, no up roll, your done.
Interesting matchup......
I posted Pics of some of my Zulus, you may have to go to my profile tho.....I tried to edit to make them public but it wouldn't let me

[jamiepwhite]

Matt, are you building Zulu or the Ndebele variant? Zulu should have all regular generals but no irregular bachelor warriors. I think the IA bachelor warriors are for the Ndebele variant.

Be true to your inner Zulu warrior. Irregular LI is for wimps, real Zulu LI is RA LMI HTW JLS Sh.