Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

jamiepwhite · Recruit Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 213 Location: Florida

The list rule text is:

2. Loose order Bantu Infantry may always evade if charged, regardless of formation.

Some people were able to shoot the glorious Zulu infantry for 2 CPF and we were playing it as they had to stand in place if shot to a halt, neither getting to countercharge nor evade. I'm happy with the way we played it, but the text of the list rule could be read as overriding the normal shot for two, stand in place for two bounds and no countercharging.

No evading either for Zulu or similar troops is the right way to play this?

scott holder · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:54 pm Post subject:

I'll let Bill opine on this vis a vis the Zulus but I would not consider it overriding the regular rules. But that's my knee jerk reaction.

Mark Stone · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:26 am Post subject:

This case can come up even without the Zulu list rules. Consider a regular loose order foot unit in skirmish that is charged and evades. Next bound it fails to counter into skirmish (or chooses not to), and takes 2 CPF in prep, from which it opts to halt. Then it's charged again.

Can it evade, since it evaded last bound?

Or must it take the charge at the halt, since evading would be voluntary?

I'm not actually looking for Scott to answer this in the abstract. The philosophy of "rule at the table where there is context" has served well over the years. But if Scott wanted to put some forethought into this before it comes up at the table, that would be okay too.

Frank Gilson · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:34 am Post subject:

scott holder · Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:15 pm Post subject:

Frank correctly and succinctly answered the questions. Cool

Ed Kollmer · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1018

Well now that we are talking about gazillion years ago.
And people are getting things off their chests.
Back in 1987, there was a ruling that REALLY HAS BOTHERED ME all these number of years.
This guy, who I was playing started to put down all these roads, it looked like down town Boston. I could not put any of my terrain down. I called the ump
who happened to be Mr. Holder. I showed him the board. He looked at it and said, "Yeah, he can do it but I hate these, @#$$%%%##@$#$ players who that do that." (there were words that my virgin ears had not heard before).
I lost the game, but I am wondering if there is a statute of limitations and I can appeal the game and get the win..... Cool

If I can appeal, I know a good lawyer........
BillL are you busy.....
EdK

Mark Stone · Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:47 am Post subject:

Ed Kollmer · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1018

Sorry Mark!
But it wasn't you. The player in question doesn't play anymore.
After that I alway was looking for him and hoped I won't have to play against him.
Against you!, I would love to play. I still have your dissertation on Use of Light Troops.
Thanks
Ek

Frank Gilson · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:13 am Post subject: I did it too

I also created the parking lot a few times...erasing a woods here, a brush there...but I don't think it was against you.

Ed Kollmer · Centurion Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1018

Again it was not you, Frank.
Like I said, the fellow doesn't play anymore, from what I know.
Ek

jamiepwhite · Recruit Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 213 Location: Florida

Since imitation is the sincerest flattery, I will just note that the frequent games at Steve's Gym have drifted towards preset terrain too trying to imitate the way Scot tosses it around.

scott holder · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:21 am Post subject:

Frank was tossing around some ideas a while back about a preset terrain generating system. I can't remember if he emailed me something. I can't find it if he did. Something like that might help.

Or you could just do what I do and imagine yourself sneezing and a bunch of terrain pieces spew out and land on the table. That's about the amount of thought I put into the process.

scott

Frank Gilson · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:16 pm Post subject:

Matt Kollmer · Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 87

Please do call me out as biased.... as I very well may be, I'd argue that the Zulu list rule does in fact override the rules. All list rules are "rule breakers " in nature. Choosing to halt is your reaction to receiving 2 CPF from shooting, regardless of whether evading is considered voluntary or not, the list rule here states "may always evade if charged, regardless of formation" ....period. I'm not a lawyer by any means, but my new job has taught me some law and the wordage is what matters, not the intent.
So if Zulu (Bantu) foot is charged, it may evade. There are no stipulations where/when it applies.

Matt Kollmer · Recruit Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 87

As a side note, I do vastly prefer preset terrain. I like its effect on list creation and gameplay. And takes a somewhat unnecessary and sometimes cumbersome step out of the pregame.... where it did create another layer of stategy in some regards -which is lost now- I think the benefits outweigh the negatives..... yes, somehow I've become so much more opinionated..... hmmm