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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:12 am    Post subject:

Ed Kollmer wrote:
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I have 3 carts with Bolt Shooters on a rise.
They can shoot over their own bodies which are closer to them than the enemy? True or False

They can shoot at enemy elephants over enemy bodies. true or false

Ed the confused.


The carts don't matter at all...as they do not grant any overhead shooting, nor restrict it.

So, Bolt Shooters on a rise.

Rule 8.7 contains:
"Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from Higher Ground on a Rise, Low Ridge or Knoll, or from or to Higher Ground on a Hill, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant from both them and their target."

So yes, they can shoot over their own bodies that are closer to them than the enemy as long as the appropriate 40p gaps are present.

Whether or not they can shoot at enemy elephants over enemy bodies depends on target priorities. If the elephants are the target priority, then yes. If something else is (shooters to front) then no. They also have no need of the Rise (higher) to do so...nor 40p gaps where enemy bodies are concerned (Frank interprets the rules here, given all of the above.)

As a concrete case, your bolt shooters could be sitting on level ground with an enemy pike unit right in front of them and enemy elephants right stuck up against those pike and you'd be shooting at the elephants.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:44 pm    Post subject: Example picture

I'm not sure if this will work or not, but here goes

[img] src="http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=849&user_id=608" alt="bolt shooter example" [/img]


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Example picture

jamiepwhite wrote:
I'm not sure if this will work or not, but here goes

[img] src="http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=849&user_id=608" [/img]


I think you meant:
http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=849&user_id=608
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Example picture

Frank Gilson wrote:
jamiepwhite wrote:
I'm not sure if this will work or not, but here goes

[img] src="http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=849&user_id=608" [/img]


I think you meant:
http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/forum/album_showpage.php?pic_id=849&user_id=608


Sheesh, I can't get the image to display here...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Trying

I'm not the web expert that Steve is, I was doing pretty well to take the picture on an android phone and correctly get it uploaded.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Hmm, worked over in the painting and modelling forum

Let's see if the attachment works
Yes, this works as an attachment.
Here the bolt shooter fires and must fire at the elephant, not the spear elements.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Second example using a .pdf file

Here goes the second example
The boltshooters are within range of the LI SS so must now shoot them instead of the elephant.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:24 pm    Post subject: shooting at elephants

nice pics Jamie - I know at nationals 3 years ago we were told you had to have a 40 pace gap between bodies to shpoot at them - different to what you are saying
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:30 am    Post subject:

Thanks guys.
it really helped!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: shooting at elephants

lilroblis wrote:
nice pics Jamie - I know at nationals 3 years ago we were told you had to have a 40 pace gap between bodies to shpoot at them - different to what you are saying


Only in the case that stone throwers or bolt shooters wish to use elevation (hill, rise).

Note still that you cannot fire over your OWN troops on level ground.
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