Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 2/23/2005 00:30:00 Central Standard Time,
mark@... writes:

I make a practice of declaring any applicable list rules for any list I'm
playing, and would whole heartedly support making that an official tournament
policy via section 14. The alternative implies a level of subterfuge that I
don't think is appropriate in tournament play, or at the very least a slowing
down of tournament games while players look up list rules.

To me this is along the lines of stating how many scouting points are not
visible when I complete deployment, and querying my opponent as to how many
scouting points are not visible of his. Sure, I and my opponent could
withhold
this information, but that would simply slow down the game as each of us took
time to count it all out. I'd much rather spend the time "pushing lead", and
so
I try to be as forthcoming as possible about things that could be deciphered
anyway in the interests of sportsmanship and speeding the game along.>>


We are 100% in agreement on this, Mark.

Jon








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[Mark Stone]

--- On February 22 Ewan said: ---

>> and I think players need to announce any list rules they are using at the
start
>> of each game, specifying to which units they apply in at least most cases as
>> they are deployed.

--- To which Jon replied: ---

> Hmmm, interesting. I have trouble getting players to be up front about what
> equipment/armor their basic troops have...lol But I am working on the
> section of 14.0 that defines what the player must say to his opponent about
his
> troops (which is nearly everything). I have no problem adding that he must
> declare any list rules for his troops at deployment.

I make a practice of declaring any applicable list rules for any list I'm
playing, and would whole heartedly support making that an official tournament
policy via section 14. The alternative implies a level of subterfuge that I
don't think is appropriate in tournament play, or at the very least a slowing
down of tournament games while players look up list rules.

To me this is along the lines of stating how many scouting points are not
visible when I complete deployment, and querying my opponent as to how many
scouting points are not visible of his. Sure, I and my opponent could withhold
this information, but that would simply slow down the game as each of us took
time to count it all out. I'd much rather spend the time "pushing lead", and so
I try to be as forthcoming as possible about things that could be deciphered
anyway in the interests of sportsmanship and speeding the game along.


-Mark Stone

[scott holder]

Mark said:

I make a practice of declaring any applicable list rules for any list I'm
playing, and would whole heartedly support making that an official tournament
policy via section 14. The alternative implies a level of subterfuge that I
don't think is appropriate in tournament play, or at the very least a slowing
down of tournament games while players look up list rules.
To me this is along the lines of stating how many scouting points are not
visible when I complete deployment, and querying my opponent as to how many
scouting points are not visible of his. Sure, I and my opponent could
withhold this information, but that would simply slow down the game as each of
us took
time to count it all out. I'd much rather spend the time "pushing lead", and
so I try to be as forthcoming as possible about things that could be deciphered
anyway in the interests of sportsmanship and speeding the game along.>>

Jon replied:
We are 100% in agreement on this, Mark.

And I weigh in:
Folks, what Mark just said epitomizes the mindset and attitude that all tourney
players should have on stuff like this. All too often I get called in halfway
thru something because of that implied level of subterfuge Mark references as
inappropriate. He is 1000% correct.

As far as troop types and list rules are concerned, what Mark said. And thanks
for saying it.

scott

I also like the idea of announcing list rules. In playing Ted Furey over
the weekend using Timurid, it was clear that Ted was surprised the first
time my LC seemlessly evaded through my HC. I had just assumed he would
know about the new list rule, given the discussion its been given.
Fortunately, the move happened early on and did not really impact the game.
After the incident, I took out my OW and went through each of the Mongol
rules with Ted, so at least he would know the list specific rules going
forward.

BTW, I highly encourage anyone who can to attend one of Bill's gaming
events -- well worth the trip.

Dave.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Stone" <mark@...>
To: "warrior" <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:28 AM
Subject: [WarriorRules] declaring troops and list rules


>
> --- On February 22 Ewan said: ---
>
>>> and I think players need to announce any list rules they are using at
>>> the
> start
>>> of each game, specifying to which units they apply in at least most
>>> cases as
>>> they are deployed.
>
> --- To which Jon replied: ---
>
>> Hmmm, interesting. I have trouble getting players to be up front about
>> what
>> equipment/armor their basic troops have...lol But I am working on the
>> section of 14.0 that defines what the player must say to his opponent
>> about
> his
>> troops (which is nearly everything). I have no problem adding that he
>> must
>> declare any list rules for his troops at deployment.
>
> I make a practice of declaring any applicable list rules for any list I'm
> playing, and would whole heartedly support making that an official
> tournament
> policy via section 14. The alternative implies a level of subterfuge that
> I
> don't think is appropriate in tournament play, or at the very least a
> slowing
> down of tournament games while players look up list rules.
>
> To me this is along the lines of stating how many scouting points are not
> visible when I complete deployment, and querying my opponent as to how
> many
> scouting points are not visible of his. Sure, I and my opponent could
> withhold
> this information, but that would simply slow down the game as each of us
> took
> time to count it all out. I'd much rather spend the time "pushing lead",
> and so
> I try to be as forthcoming as possible about things that could be
> deciphered
> anyway in the interests of sportsmanship and speeding the game along.
>
>
> -Mark Stone
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