Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Mark Stone]

Jon,

For the following questions please refer to the diagram "romans-vs-ch.gif"
uploaded to the Files section. Sorry it isn't in Powerpoint, but I'm away from
my office computer at the moment. Any web browser should be able to view a
"gif" file, however.

Here's the setup:

Blue 1 is a 2 stand unit of Roman Legionaries, 1 stand wide and 2 ranks deep.
Blue 2 is a 4 stand unit of Roman Legionaries, 2 stands wide and 2 ranks deep.
Red A is a 2 model unit of Late Hebrew heavy chariots, one model wide and 2
ranks deep.
Red B is the same as Red A.

On bound 1, A charges 2 and recoils 2. A does not expand.

On bound 2, 1 declares a charge on A, intending to replace 2 in combat per the
list rules for Romans. B declares a charge on the projecting overlap of 2.

The questions:
What is the position of units involved at the conclusion of charge moves in
bound 2? Specifically, I'm stuck on the point that 2 should be pushed back as 1
is replacing it, and 2 should remain in place as B is charging it. Does this
cancel 1's charge? Does this cancel B's charge? Do both charges happen, and if
so what does the final position look like?

Other question - to simplify, just drop B out of the picture here, and assume A
recoiled 2 last bound and 1 is now charging through to replace. I know that A
does not count as charging, and that A does not count as following up. But
clearly A has forward momentum, so do the chariot horses get to fight or does
only the crew get to fight?


-Mark Stone

[joncleaves]

Here's the setup:

Blue 1 is a 2 stand unit of Roman Legionaries, 1 stand wide and 2 ranks deep.
Blue 2 is a 4 stand unit of Roman Legionaries, 2 stands wide and 2 ranks deep.
Red A is a 2 model unit of Late Hebrew heavy chariots, one model wide and 2
ranks deep.
Red B is the same as Red A.>>

Ok, all good. And I can read the diagram, but you have two 2E wide red units
the same relative width as 1 2E wide blue - so it is somewhat misleading, but I
assume not pertinent to the question...

<<On bound 1, A charges 2 and recoils 2. A does not expand.

On bound 2, 1 declares a charge on A, intending to replace 2 in combat per the
list rules for Romans. B declares a charge on the projecting overlap of 2.

The questions:
What is the position of units involved at the conclusion of charge moves in
bound 2? Specifically, I'm stuck on the point that 2 should be pushed back as 1
is replacing it, and 2 should remain in place as B is charging it.>>

Not pushed back, just those elements are replaced (as with any replacement,
roman or otherwise) until the combat is concluded.

<< Does this
cancel 1's charge?>>

No. 1 and b are not charging each other and since these are romans of the
replacement type, they aren't cancelled by mounted in any case.

<< Does this cancel B's charge? Do both charges happen, and if
so what does the final position look like?>>

I see no reason why both charges should not happen. 1 will be where 2E of 2
'should be', but only until the whole thing is resolved.

<<Other question - to simplify, just drop B out of the picture here, and assume
A
recoiled 2 last bound and 1 is now charging through to replace. I know that A
does not count as charging, and that A does not count as following up. But
clearly A has forward momentum, so do the chariot horses get to fight or does
only the crew get to fight?>>

the horse get to fight, they just don't get the +1.


Jon

[Mark Stone]

Quoting "WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com" <WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com>:

> << Does this
> cancel 1's charge?>>
>
> No. 1 and b are not charging each other and since these are romans of the
> replacement type, they aren't cancelled by mounted in any case.
>
> << Does this cancel B's charge? Do both charges happen, and if
> so what does the final position look like?>>
>
> I see no reason why both charges should not happen. 1 will be where 2E of 2
> 'should be', but only until the whole thing is resolved.
>

Cool. I understand how all this works so far. It looks at little funky "in
transition", but it makes sense. Now the hard question:

Similar situation:

A 2 stand wide, 2 rank deep unit of Romans is backed up by another unit of
Romans, also 2 stands wide, 2 ranks deep. The front unit is charged by a 1
stand wide unit of mounted on Bound 1, and recoiled. The enemy cavalry does not
choose to expand.

On Bound 2, a second unit of enemy cav, 1 stand wide, charges the exposed
element of the front Roman unit. At the same time, the back Roman unit declares
a charge on the cav unit in contact with the front Roman unit.

What happens? Who ends up in combat against whom?


-Mark Stone

[joncleaves]

A 2 stand wide, 2 rank deep unit of Romans is backed up by another unit of
Romans, also 2 stands wide, 2 ranks deep. The front unit is charged by a 1
stand wide unit of mounted on Bound 1, and recoiled. The enemy cavalry does not
choose to expand.

On Bound 2, a second unit of enemy cav, 1 stand wide, charges the exposed
element of the front Roman unit. At the same time, the back Roman unit declares
a charge on the cav unit in contact with the front Roman unit.

What happens? Who ends up in combat against whom?>>
[
The replacing Roman unit is now in contact with both enemy mounted units.

Jon