Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Greg Regets]

Early Byzantine is DAW #12, and the erata can be found on the FHE
website.

http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/darkage.htm

Thanks ... g



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...> wrote:
>
> I cannot speak to list errata- and truthfully I have no idea where
to
> find it, but double checking the dark age lists neither list 19 nor
> 24 provide for carts.
> I assume that there are list changes based on your response?
> Chris
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
<greg.regets@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Looking it up before you posted, might have been a good play.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I am pretty sure that Early Byzantines do not get carts for
their
> > > bolt shooters unless there is erata in the list clarifications
or
> > you
> > > are describing Nike's as early. Just some fodder for your post.
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
> > <greg.regets@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I know Jon ...
> > > >
> > > > I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the first
> > > place ...
> > > > largely eliminating the purpose of the post.
> > > >
> > > > What I've had success with is putting these things on hills
and
> > > using
> > > > friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority
from
> > > play.
> > > > People might want to try it. It can be very effective in some
> > > > instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the
arena
> > of
> > > > SHK armies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
> > > > >
> > > > > My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
> > > > >
> > > > > J
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
> > troops
> > > > rules question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and
> rises.
> > > > >
> > > > > g
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill,
> > rampart
> > > > or
> > > > > tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on a
> > > cart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
> > > troops
> > > > > rules question
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light
> bolt
> > > > > shooters
> > > > > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on
this
> > > board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > g
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a...
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only
> > under
> > > > > these
> > > > > > circumstances:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise,
> low
> > > > ridge
> > > > > > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops
> from
> > > or
> > > > to
> > > > > a
> > > > > > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces
> > > distant
> > > > > from
> > > > > > both them and their target."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other
> > troops
> > > > > rules
> > > > > > question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is
> really
> > > > > obvious
> > > > > > but we've
> > > > > > > been arguing
> > > > > > > about it here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening
> friendly
> > > > > troops
> > > > > > to enemies on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery)
> have
> > > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > higher, like
> > > > > > > on a hill or in
> > > > > > > a fortification?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out
the
> > > > Mongols
> > > > > > campaign.
> > > > > > >
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[Chris Bump]

Well there you are.
Chris
--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets" <greg.regets@g...>
wrote:
>
> Early Byzantine is DAW #12, and the erata can be found on the FHE
> website.
>
> http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/darkage.htm
>
> Thanks ... g
>
>
>
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...> wrote:
> >
> > I cannot speak to list errata- and truthfully I have no idea
where
> to
> > find it, but double checking the dark age lists neither list 19
nor
> > 24 provide for carts.
> > I assume that there are list changes based on your response?
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
> <greg.regets@g...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking it up before you posted, might have been a good play. ;-
)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am pretty sure that Early Byzantines do not get carts for
> their
> > > > bolt shooters unless there is erata in the list
clarifications
> or
> > > you
> > > > are describing Nike's as early. Just some fodder for your
post.
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
> > > <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I know Jon ...
> > > > >
> > > > > I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the first
> > > > place ...
> > > > > largely eliminating the purpose of the post.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I've had success with is putting these things on hills
> and
> > > > using
> > > > > friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority
> from
> > > > play.
> > > > > People might want to try it. It can be very effective in
some
> > > > > instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the
> arena
> > > of
> > > > > SHK armies.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > J
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over other
> > > troops
> > > > > rules question
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills and
> > rises.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > g
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a...
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll, hill,
> > > rampart
> > > > > or
> > > > > > tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being on
a
> > > > cart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over
other
> > > > troops
> > > > > > rules question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think light
> > bolt
> > > > > > shooters
> > > > > > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone on
> this
> > > > board.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > g
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a...
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and
only
> > > under
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > circumstances:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a
rise,
> > low
> > > > > ridge
> > > > > > > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any
troops
> > from
> > > > or
> > > > > to
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40
paces
> > > > distant
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > both them and their target."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other
> > > troops
> > > > > > rules
> > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is
> > really
> > > > > > obvious
> > > > > > > but we've
> > > > > > > > been arguing
> > > > > > > > about it here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening
> > friendly
> > > > > > troops
> > > > > > > to enemies on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or
artillery)
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > higher, like
> > > > > > > > on a hill or in
> > > > > > > > a fortification?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out
> the
> > > > > Mongols
> > > > > > > campaign.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J
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[Greg Regets]

Are you still playing up there in Big-D?

We really miss hanging out and pushing lead with you guys. If you
wanted, we might do a road trip to play some games and visit some of
your fine drinking establishments. I'll probably be up for the Cotton
Bowl either way.

Give me an email offline, if you wish. greg.regets@...

g


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...> wrote:
>
> Well there you are.
> Chris
> --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
<greg.regets@g...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Early Byzantine is DAW #12, and the erata can be found on the FHE
> > website.
> >
> > http://www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com/darkage.htm
> >
> > Thanks ... g
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > I cannot speak to list errata- and truthfully I have no idea
> where
> > to
> > > find it, but double checking the dark age lists neither list 19
> nor
> > > 24 provide for carts.
> > > I assume that there are list changes based on your response?
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
> > <greg.regets@g...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking it up before you posted, might have been a good
play. ;-
> )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "cncbump" <cncbump@v...>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am pretty sure that Early Byzantines do not get carts for
> > their
> > > > > bolt shooters unless there is erata in the list
> clarifications
> > or
> > > > you
> > > > > are describing Nike's as early. Just some fodder for your
> post.
> > > > > Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Regets"
> > > > <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, I know Jon ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I added that, because my meaning wasn't clear in the
first
> > > > > place ...
> > > > > > largely eliminating the purpose of the post.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I've had success with is putting these things on
hills
> > and
> > > > > using
> > > > > > friendlies in front to remove the first shooting priority
> > from
> > > > > play.
> > > > > > People might want to try it. It can be very effective in
> some
> > > > > > instances ... like being an Early Byzantine player in the
> > arena
> > > > of
> > > > > > SHK armies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a...
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, a good thing, and very historical too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My comment was not directed at you, Greg.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > J
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:56:22 -0000
> > > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over
other
> > > > troops
> > > > > > rules question
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was speaking of a bolt shooters on carts, on hills
and
> > > rises.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > g
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a...
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Note that a cart is not a rise, low ridge, knoll,
hill,
> > > > rampart
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > tower. You cannot shoot over friendlies just by being
on
> a
> > > > > cart.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > J
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Greg Regets <greg.regets@g...>
> > > > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:41:19 -0000
> > > > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] Re: artillery shooting over
> other
> > > > > troops
> > > > > > > rules question
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's why I can't figure out why some people think
light
> > > bolt
> > > > > > > shooters
> > > > > > > > on carts are a "worthless gimmick" to quote someone
on
> > this
> > > > > board.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > g
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a...
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and
> only
> > > > under
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > circumstances:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a
> rise,
> > > low
> > > > > > ridge
> > > > > > > > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any
> troops
> > > from
> > > > > or
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40
> paces
> > > > > distant
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > both them and their target."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jon
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> > > > > > > > > To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over
other
> > > > troops
> > > > > > > rules
> > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is
> > > really
> > > > > > > obvious
> > > > > > > > but we've
> > > > > > > > > been arguing
> > > > > > > > > about it here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening
> > > friendly
> > > > > > > troops
> > > > > > > > to enemies on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > ground or does one of them (either enemy or
> artillery)
> > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > higher, like
> > > > > > > > > on a hill or in
> > > > > > > > > a fortification?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Important because we want to play a Ming kicking
out
> > the
> > > > > > Mongols
> > > > > > > > campaign.
> > > > > > > > >
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[joncleaves]

I know what the rule says. I asked the question becuase I couldn't
parse the sentence. Assume I am stupid and just tell me the answer.

jonathan>>
Sorry, didn't mean to catch you at a bad time.

Your questions was:
> Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops
to enemies on the ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery)
have to be
higher, like on a hill or in a fortification?>>

To which I answered:

> "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge or
knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to a
tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant from
both them and their target.">>

Because your question does not have a yes or no answer. First, not all
artillery can do this, only stone throwers or bolt shooters. Second, it is
different based on what kind of 'higher' is involved. If either the ST/BS or
the
target is on a hill, then yes. If a rise low ridge or knoll, the ST/BS has
to be on that regardless of the target's height.
Finally the intervening friendlies have to be 40p from both the ST/BS and
the target.

Jon


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/15/2005 22:28:33 Central Standard Time,
ccoutoftown@... writes:

So basically the rule means: either they both have to be high or one
of them has to be really high.



Either can be really high (hill) or the artillery can be just high (knoll,
rise, ridge).

And you have to be high to be reading this....lol


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I know what the rule says. I asked the question becuase I couldn't
parse the sentence. Assume I am stupid and just tell me the answer.

jonathan


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
> Only certain artillery can shoot over friends and only under these
circumstances:
>
> "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge or
knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to a
tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant from
both them and their target."
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan <ccoutoftown@y...>
> To: WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:40:48 -0000
> Subject: [WarriorRules] artillery shooting over other troops rules
question
>
>
> I have a question that I'm sure everybody thinks is really obvious
but we've
> been arguing
> about it here.
>
> Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops
to enemies on
> the
> ground or does one of them (either enemy or artillery) have to be
higher, like
> on a hill or in
> a fortification?
>
> Important because we want to play a Ming kicking out the Mongols
campaign.
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Bill Chriss]

> Sorry, didn't mean to catch you at a bad time.
>
> Because your question does not have a yes or no answer. First, not all
> artillery can do this, only stone throwers or bolt shooters. Second, it
> is
> different based on what kind of 'higher' is involved. If either the
> ST/BS or the
> target is on a hill, then yes. If a rise low ridge or knoll, the ST/BS
> has
> to be on that regardless of the target's height.
> Finally the intervening friendlies have to be 40p from both the ST/BS and
> the target.
>
> Jon
>


Jon,

I was really biting my lip on this one, because of your acknowledged,
proper, and sole prerogative of answering rules questions. So I wrote the
following to myself as a retranslation of the way I understand the
language of this rule, figuring you'd answer it yourself:

1. Only stonethrowers and boltshooters can shoot over troops. No other
artillery can under any circumstances.

2. They can do this if the artillery is on a rise, low ridge, or knoll

3. They can do this if the artillery is on a rampart or hill

4. Otherwise, they CANNOT DO THIS, UNLESS the target is on a rampart or
hill, regardless of where the artilery is.

5. Any troops to be shot over must be more than 40 paces away from the
shooters AND more than 40 paces away from the target of the shot.


I was thinking it might be instructive to see if I understand this rule
correctly. It seems clear to me. I am expressly not answering a rules
question, as I have no idea of FHE's intent, unless it is as I interpret
the words used. I just happen to have a little expertise in logic and the
use of language, so if I have misconstrued then I ask forgiveness and
suggest the rule may need to be made more clear (it seems clear to me
already as per the above, but if I'm wrong, then maybe others have been
misinterpreting also, or maybe my logic and language skills aren't what
they should be).

Now, #1: did I get it right?

#2: do the intervening troops have to be friendly to be shot over?



-Greek

[Doug]

You know, that is a very difficult piece of Barkerese.
What about adding a couple of words IN CAPS BELOW:

> > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge
> > or knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill , AND any troops CAN
>SHOOT from or to a
> > tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant from
> > both them and their target."
> >
> > Jon

Thanks for the quick and definitive answer. Sorry about the "caught
me at a bad time" tone of the earlier post.

So basically the rule means: either they both have to be high or one
of them has to be really high.

Jonathan


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
>
>
> I know what the rule says. I asked the question becuase I couldn't
> parse the sentence. Assume I am stupid and just tell me the
answer.
>
> jonathan>>
> Sorry, didn't mean to catch you at a bad time.
>
> Your questions was:
> > Artillery on the ground can shoot over intervening friendly troops

> to enemies on the ground or does one of them (either enemy or
artillery)
> have to be
> higher, like on a hill or in a fortification?>>
>
> To which I answered:
>
> > "Stone-throwers or bolt-shooters can shoot from a rise, low ridge
or
> knoll, or from or to a rampart or hill, or any troops from or to a
> tower, over intervening troops who are at least 40 paces distant
from
> both them and their target.">>
>
> Because your question does not have a yes or no answer. First, not
all
> artillery can do this, only stone throwers or bolt shooters.
Second, it is
> different based on what kind of 'higher' is involved. If either the
ST/BS or the
> target is on a hill, then yes. If a rise low ridge or knoll, the
ST/BS has
> to be on that regardless of the target's height.
> Finally the intervening friendlies have to be 40p from both the ST/
BS and
> the target.
>
> Jon
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Or another reading:

BS/ST always must be on (or highter than) a small rise or knoll to
shoot at troops who are at any level.

There is one exception: BS/ST on the ground can shoot at troops who
are on a hill or in a tower.

This right?

J



--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, hrisikos@D... wrote:
>
> > Sorry, didn't mean to catch you at a bad time.
> >
> > Because your question does not have a yes or no answer. First,
not all
> > artillery can do this, only stone throwers or bolt shooters.
Second, it
> > is
> > different based on what kind of 'higher' is involved. If either
the
> > ST/BS or the
> > target is on a hill, then yes. If a rise low ridge or knoll,
the ST/BS
> > has
> > to be on that regardless of the target's height.
> > Finally the intervening friendlies have to be 40p from both the
ST/BS and
> > the target.
> >
> > Jon
> >
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I was really biting my lip on this one, because of your
acknowledged,
> proper, and sole prerogative of answering rules questions. So I
wrote the
> following to myself as a retranslation of the way I understand the
> language of this rule, figuring you'd answer it yourself:
>
> 1. Only stonethrowers and boltshooters can shoot over troops. No
other
> artillery can under any circumstances.
>
> 2. They can do this if the artillery is on a rise, low ridge, or
knoll
>
> 3. They can do this if the artillery is on a rampart or hill
>
> 4. Otherwise, they CANNOT DO THIS, UNLESS the target is on a rampart
or
> hill, regardless of where the artilery is.
>
> 5. Any troops to be shot over must be more than 40 paces away from
the
> shooters AND more than 40 paces away from the target of the shot.
>
>
> I was thinking it might be instructive to see if I understand this
rule
> correctly. It seems clear to me. I am expressly not answering a
rules
> question, as I have no idea of FHE's intent, unless it is as I
interpret
> the words used. I just happen to have a little expertise in logic
and the
> use of language, so if I have misconstrued then I ask forgiveness
and
> suggest the rule may need to be made more clear (it seems clear to
me
> already as per the above, but if I'm wrong, then maybe others have
been
> misinterpreting also, or maybe my logic and language skills aren't
what
> they should be).
>
> Now, #1: did I get it right?
>
> #2: do the intervening troops have to be friendly to be shot
over?
>
>
>
> -Greek
>

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 11/15/2005 20:32:37 Central Standard Time,
hrisikos@... writes:

I was really biting my lip on this one, because of your acknowledged,
proper, and sole prerogative of answering rules questions. So I wrote the
following to myself as a retranslation of the way I understand the
language of this rule, figuring you'd answer it yourself:

1. Only stonethrowers and boltshooters can shoot over troops. No other
artillery can under any circumstances.

2. They can do this if the artillery is on a rise, low ridge, or knoll

3. They can do this if the artillery is on a rampart or hill

4. Otherwise, they CANNOT DO THIS, UNLESS the target is on a rampart or
hill, regardless of where the artilery is.

5. Any troops to be shot over must be more than 40 paces away from the
shooters AND more than 40 paces away from the target of the shot.>>
[
Amend # 3 - in this case either arty or target on rampart or hill.

Jon







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