Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[Patrick Byrne]

And shelve my Irish, No way. I'd rather get my but kicked and play my
nationality than to merely shelve them and move on. (Dudes, they are my
only 15mm army )

My current plan is to wait and see what happens when the full lists come
out. Probably convert them to a Anglo-Danish sortof thing with more support
cav. That is unless Scott gets me 24 Welshy Knights (see previous post).

I am aware of the update. I just haven't updated.


P.S. - You guys are taking me way too seriously. Scott If you are
generating 1500 word emails just to soothe my feathers, 'forget about it'.
I'm as pretty as a peacock.


'Fly like a butterfly, Sting like a bee' is to the Huns like
'Move like an elephant, Hit like a hammer' is to the Irish.
-PB



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> style? This gets back to the FW/Warrior differences. I feel the same
> armies in both systems can play very differently given how the lists are
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[scott holder]

Scott, can you raise the number of Knights available for the Norse Irish
in
the upcoming lists. I'd say 2-24 elements would do.

>That's called a *Norman* army, not Norse Irish:) Max Normans in NI
Warrior list will be 4 with an option to upgrade them to HK. Unless
Bill changed that with the latest draft which is sitting at home waiting
for me to review it this weekend.

>The whole slew of Frankish successor states have lotsa lotsa
lance-armed HC in Dark Age Warrior. Probably not the neo-celtic panache
of the NI but heh, it's a tournament:):)

Scott
List Ho

[scott holder]

My current plan is to wait and see what happens when the full lists come
out. Probably convert them to a Anglo-Danish sortof thing with more
support
cav. That is unless Scott gets me 24 Welshy Knights (see previous
post).

I am aware of the update. I just haven't updated.


P.S. - You guys are taking me way too seriously. Scott If you are
generating 1500 word emails just to soothe my feathers, 'forget about
it'.
I'm as pretty as a peacock.

>Heh heh, I took it in the spirit in which it was given. I'm normally
verbose and wanted to take the opening to tout FW, yadda yadda, yadda.

>Anglo-Danes will be a good in-period list. For that matter, the
Vikings won't suck too terribly either, well at least not in 25mm.
Remember, Bondi Archers with armor and JLS are GODS!

Scott
List Ho

[Don Coon]

> Its a poor general who blames his troops........lol
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> >And an even poorer one who blames his dice:):)

Oh man, that hits close to home.

Don

[Don Coon]

> >Perhaps you should find another army that better suits your playing
> style? This gets back to the FW/Warrior differences. I feel the same
> armies in both systems can play very differently given how the lists are
> setup.

OUCH! Lots of lead and painting time invested there!

Don

[Dave Smith]

"Holder, Scott <FHWA>" wrote:

Third, a digression. The previous paragraph is one reason why I'm so
high on FW. It introduces a very different gaming and list dynamic
intoa fairly complicated system. That's why I respectfully disagree
with the person who posted something a couple of weeks ago about how
theyexpect to be bored with FW after the first couple of games. I'd
argue that there are some interesting matchups out-of-period that
bring different armies into the competitive fold and that those
people wanting to run something more historical without the lead
investment, can now get a real good flavor for so many periods.


**My thoughts exactly. You have outlined my latest epiphany
perfectly. I would like to see Fast Warrior become a major player in
the tournament scene, carving out some of the DBA crowd. This will
allow me to have many 25mm armies (in FW), preventing the boredom
that sets in painting a couple of hundred Vikings (or whatever). I
will be devoting major space on my website for FW [and Fast Play MW],
with AAR's, pictures of armies, tourney reports, and maybe, (with
FHE's help), a ranking system for players and armies.

**At last year's Border Wars in KC, the winner of the tournament
received a replica gladius, aptly named, The Sword of the Ancients.
I would like to do something similar with the winner of
the 'National' FW tourney [maybe Historicon]. Anyway, Scott struck a
nerve with this post, so thought I would ride the wave a little more.

Dave

[scott holder]

> Its a poor general who blames his troops........lol
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> >And an even poorer one who blames his dice:):)

Oh man, that hits close to home.

>Heh heh, I was on time and on target:) Actually, one of the real
prerequisites of this game is the ability to find a scapegoat, be it
your opponent ("I coulda beat the crap outta him but he took 2 hours to
deploy and went to the bathroom every 15 minutes"), or your dice ("That
single 1 I rolled dictated the outcome of the whole game but all those
up 3 rolls I made didn't matter"), or your opponent's dice ("He rolled
sixes for every waver test, including his one command consisting of
nothing but Irr D LMI IPW which was also his lead attack force"), or
your army matchup ("I brought my Sea Peoples army to an open tourney and
am downright shocked that I played 3 games against guys using
Macedonians"), or your mental state ("I just lost my job and can't feed
my wife and 4 kids but I did manage to show up this weekend; plus I got
liquored up between rounds 2 and 3 which really hurt my ability to focus
in the last game"), or the time limit ("I spent 3 hours and 59 minutes
setting up the *perfect* attack and the game was called at the 4 hour
time limit; we should be allowed to finish a bound regardless of how
many hours I'll take to finish that one bound") or finally, the umpire
("In my neighborhood, we play that flank charges only need to hit one
corner to another and give the charging unit the free extra movement to
contact regardless of how many elements are in the front rank, but that
jackass umpire said I couldn't. My whole weekend depended on that
tactic").

>I think everyone gets the idea:) Remember, it's never your fault
you lose a game and it's never that your opponent is better than you.
People like me and Chris Damour get the most enjoyment out of this game
with battle plans like this:

"Okay, Scott, you take the Spanish over *there*, charge the
legionairies, and roll up 4."

Scott "roll dice, win game" Holder
List Ho

[Dave Smith]

"Holder, Scott <FHWA>" wrote:

Remember, Bondi Archers with armor and JLS are GODS!


**Man, that's the truth. My Bondi archers, (which were LHI last
weekend), were the stud-muffins of the contest. My Huscarles were
standing by watching as my Bondi archers threw off one Irish unit
after another. : )

Dave

[Patrick Byrne]

Why do you got to be all stingy like that. Every historian knows darn good
that the Normans had a ton of horses and welshmen. We're offering good mead
here.


'How about a jelly, eh. It's my last one.'
-PB



> From: "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@...>
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> Date: 01 Mar 2002 09:53:30 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [WarriorRules] Re: Fast Warrior 101
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> Scott, can you raise the number of Knights available for the Norse Irish
> in
> the upcoming lists. I'd say 2-24 elements would do.
>
>> That's called a *Norman* army, not Norse Irish:) Max Normans in NI
> Warrior list will be 4 with an option to upgrade them to HK. Unless
> Bill changed that with the latest draft which is sitting at home waiting
> for me to review it this weekend.
>
>> The whole slew of Frankish successor states have lotsa lotsa
> lance-armed HC in Dark Age Warrior. Probably not the neo-celtic panache
> of the NI but heh, it's a tournament:)
>
> Scott
> List Ho
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[scott holder]

>>> davidsmith@... 3/1/02 9:09:00 AM >>>
"Holder, Scott <FHWA>" wrote:

Remember, Bondi Archers with armor and JLS are GODS!


**Man, that's the truth. My Bondi archers, (which were LHI last
weekend), were the stud-muffins of the contest. My Huscarles were
standing by watching as my Bondi archers threw off one Irish unit
after another. : )

>That was a typo I didn't catch in the FW list. In the upcoming Viking
list for Dark Age Warrior, obviously Viking Bondi archers will have both
LHI and JLS upgrades available to them. That gives them one shot
against knights but they're still Irr C so one blown waver test and it's
all over:):)

Scott
List Ho

[scott holder]

Yeah, but that armor has disappeared to the main list where is belongs
and the NI were playing with one bonnacht tied behind their table edge.

I want to see the rematch!!

>With that second Bonnacht unit and no Bondi archer armor, this becomes
a very interesting game. I mean the "elites" somewhat cancel out each
other but those 2HCW, JLS, Sh bubbas with the second rank of only JLS
really pack a punch even out of a Dark Age context. The Bondi Spearmen
have really gotta outroll the Bonnachts:):)

Scott

[Ewan McNay]

david_smith_kc wrote:
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> "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" wrote:
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> Remember, Bondi Archers with armor and JLS are GODS!
>
> **Man, that's the truth. My Bondi archers, (which were LHI last
> weekend), were the stud-muffins of the contest. My Huscarles were
> standing by watching as my Bondi archers threw off one Irish unit
> after another. : )

Hey, a story I can top.

Playing in the team tourney with Chris Damour, using the highly
manouvreable Pre-feudal Scots (with Viking Allies). We're facing (as
ever) SHK, this time in the form of Dave Stiers and partner Greg Hauser
using Sicilian Hohenstaufen.

The Sicilians have a HI unit advanced a little as a pinning force,
shielded by some LI. The first unit of our army in range is the Bondi
archers - so, of course, they charge the LI away and on into the HI.

We don't break the HI. However, we *do* manage to burst through them
(!), and convert into the rear of the LI, who are now intermingled with
two SHK blocks into which they penetrated in their previous evade.

In the next bound, of course, we rout the LI - carefully throwing down
to avoid evaporating them - and in the pursuit, convert into both SHK
units. Let me see. As Irregular LHI, would I rather stand to receive
an impetuous SHK charge in the open, or would I rather catch them at the
halt (and not even in wedge yet, back when that matterd)? Tough choice
:)

They resigned in the following bound; Chris' phrase 'failing your
personal morale check' has never been so apt.

Ewan

--- In WarriorRules@y..., "david_smith_kc" <davidsmith@k...> wrote:
> **Man, that's the truth. My Bondi archers, (which were LHI last
> weekend), were the stud-muffins of the contest. My Huscarles were
> standing by watching as my Bondi archers threw off one Irish unit
> after another. : )
>
> Dave


Ugh. Reminds me of some of the things I didn't like about 7th.

So, I guess Aztecs will be gods again in Warrior. After being
downgraded to Hordes in DBM.

JM

--- In WarriorRules@y..., "Holder, Scott <FHWA>" <Scott.Holder@f...>
wrote:

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> Scott "roll dice, win game" Holder
> List Ho



The best wargaming advice I ever got was from I guy named Mike Hert.

"Get close. Roll hot dice."

John Meunier

[Dave Smith]

Ugh. Reminds me of some of the things I didn't like about 7th.
So, I guess Aztecs will be gods again in Warrior. After being
downgraded to Hordes in DBM.


**Actually, I was doing some 'tongue-in-cheek' smack. This was
basically a 'line-m-up' and let'm fight, training session. I would
not want to count on a unit of Irr C LMI with JLS as the decisive
unit in my army.

Dave