Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[John Garlic]

Hi Jon,

This is a restatement of a prior question, under different conditions.

En En En En

______________
A A A A A <---Gully
______________

B B B B B

Both units (En) and (B) are 40 paces from gully occupied by unit (A). Unit
(A) force marched to gully, and is ambush. Since neither (B), nor (En) can see
(A), can (B) fire at (En) with missile weapons.

John Garlic


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[joncleaves]

In a message dated 9/12/2004 21:07:09 Central Daylight Time,
jmgarlic@... writes:

This is a restatement of a prior question, under different conditions.

En En En En

______________
A A A A A <---Gully
______________

B B B B B

Both units (En) and (B) are 40 paces from gully occupied by unit (A). Unit
(A) force marched to gully, and is ambush. Since neither (B), nor (En) can
see
(A), can (B) fire at (En) with missile weapons.




[
No.

Jon



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...and if A were not in ambush in the gully, B could fire at En?



> jmgarlic@... writes:
>
> This is a restatement of a prior question, under different conditions.
>
> En En En En
>
> ______________
> A A A A A <---Gully
> ______________
>
> B B B B B
>
> Both units (En) and (B) are 40 paces from gully occupied by unit (A).
Unit
> (A) force marched to gully, and is ambush. Since neither (B), nor (En)
can
> see
> (A), can (B) fire at (En) with missile weapons.
>
>
>
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> [
> No.
>
> Jon
>

[joncleaves]

...and if A were not in ambush in the gully, B could fire at En?>>
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No.

And to try to head off all the possible variations of this, again, 8.7 contains
the sentence:

"No other overhead shooting is permitted, even if to or from a greater height."

This means that if you have an overhead shooting situation that does not appear
in the list right before this sentence, that situation is not permitted.

J





> jmgarlic@... writes:
>
> This is a restatement of a prior question, under different conditions.
>
> En En En En
>
> ______________
> A A A A A <---Gully
> ______________
>
> B B B B B
>
> Both units (En) and (B) are 40 paces from gully occupied by unit (A).
Unit
> (A) force marched to gully, and is ambush. Since neither (B), nor (En)
can
> see
> (A), can (B) fire at (En) with missile weapons.
>
>
>

I'm sorry, what I meant was could the shooting occur if body A was not there
at all?

R






> ...and if A were not in ambush in the gully, B could fire at En?>>
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> No.
>
> And to try to head off all the possible variations of this, again, 8.7
contains the sentence:
>
> "No other overhead shooting is permitted, even if to or from a greater
height."
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> This means that if you have an overhead shooting situation that does not
appear in the list right before this sentence, that situation is not
permitted.
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> J
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> > jmgarlic@... writes:
> >
> > This is a restatement of a prior question, under different conditions.
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> > En En En En
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> > ______________
> > A A A A A <---Gully
> > ______________
> >
> > B B B B B
> >
> > Both units (En) and (B) are 40 paces from gully occupied by unit (A).
> Unit
> > (A) force marched to gully, and is ambush. Since neither (B), nor (En)
> can
> > see
> > (A), can (B) fire at (En) with missile weapons.
> >
> >
> >
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[joncleaves]

I'm sorry, what I meant was could the shooting occur if body A was not there
at all?

R>>
[
Yes. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Jon

You do realize that leads to; "You can't shoot me because of the ambush I've
prepared".

R




> I'm sorry, what I meant was could the shooting occur if body A was not
there
> at all?
>
> R>>
> [
> Yes. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>
> Jon

[joncleaves]

You do realize that leads to; "You can't shoot me because of the ambush I've
prepared".

R>>
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Ancient/medieval bow fire was not so precise that all missiles shot from the
same group fell in the same spot. Very many would fall short. This is the
primary reason for the design of the overhead shooting rules as they pertain to
a third, friendly body intervening. The commanders of such units knew well
enough not to shoot their own people, even if some players would like to...lol.
Jon

[Ewan McNay]

JonCleaves@... wrote:

> You do realize that leads to; "You can't shoot me because of the
> ambush I've prepared".
>
> R>> [ Ancient/medieval bow fire was not so precise that all
> missiles shot from the same group fell in the same spot. Very many
> would fall short. This is the primary reason for the design of the
> overhead shooting rules as they pertain to a third, friendly body
> intervening. The commanders of such units knew well enough not to
> shoot their own people, even if some players would like to...lol.

No, the point is that the *enemy* cannot fire overhead, because of a
unit that they don't know exists. Odd.

"I'm firing at you"
"No, you can't"
"Why not?"
"I'm not telling you" :)

[joncleaves]

No, the point is that the *enemy* cannot fire overhead, because of a
unit that they don't know exists. Odd.>>

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That is not true. The enemy can shoot at B. The question was the other way
around, unless I missed something.

J

Not to belabor the point and I'll drop the line after this...

I'm trying to resolve the enemy (En) not being able to shot B because A is
in the gully (with En not knowing A is there).

R

[joncleaves]

I'm trying to resolve the enemy (En) not being able to shot B because A is
in the gully (with En not knowing A is there).

R>>

As I said in response to Ewan's mail, the enemy can shoot B. But I can see
where 8.7 could spell out better that it is, of course, only referencing
friendly troops shooting over head of friendly troops.

Enemy troops just have to abide by visibility and priority.

I do not think the question of what En could shoot ever came up, but if it did
and I missed it, I apologize.

Jon

Understand completely...B won't shoot since they might hits friendlies, En
shoots because they don't know/care.

R

[joncleaves]

Understand completely...B won't shoot since they might hits friendlies, En
shoots because they don't know/care.

R>>
[
Yes. En would shoot B whether A is in ambush or not as A is not visible to En.

Jon