Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[scott holder]

This is a very little thing, but something that occured to me as I was
plunking down 400 bucks for 25mm figures and determining how long it would
take to paint them, given pretty exacting standards.

Could the four horsemen give us some assurance that old WRG 6th Edition and
NASAMW lists will be grandfathered through Historicon and NICT for 2001?

I would REALLY like to know .... :-)

Um, no? Lemme put it another way, as the new books are published, they will
supercede the old ones. Obviously not all the books will come out at once and
until the books come out, the old lists will still be useable. Our plan is to
publish two army list books along with WARRIOR rules, these being BIBLICAL
WARRIOR and DARK AGE WARRIOR. Thereafter, we'll publish an army list book
every 6 months or so.

What army lists do I turn to after DARK AGE WARRIOR? I dunno at this point.
I can tell you the absolute dead last two books I'll do are CLASSICAL WARRIOR
(Hoplites, Alex/Successor, Punic) and "ASIAN/ORIENTAL" WARRIOR (which will
contain most Asian lists--keep in mind that some "asian" lists will appear in
other books, primarily if they were opponents of armies in those Books).

My guess, and that's all it is right now, it that I'll either work on HOLY
WARRIOR (Crusaders, later Byzantines, Turkish crap, etc) or FEUDAL WARRIOR
(usual European knights and most likely stuff from eastern Europe/Russia and
possibly a couple of "asian" lists if they were adjacent and primarily fought
armies like, for example, Late Poles). Somewhere in this is IMPERIAL WARRIOR
(Marian Rome thru the end of the "official" Empire). Not to mention at some
point, the New World lists hafta get tossed in somewhere. There ain't enough
of them to warrant their own book (each army list book will contain between
34-40 army lists) so I'm just not sure as yet. Who knows by that point, we
might just make em available online, but I'm talking off the top of my head at
this point.

To summarize, here is the projected set of army list books for WARRIOR:

BIBLICAL WARRIOR
DARK AGE WARRIOR
HOLY WARRIOR
FEUDAL WARRIOR
IMPERIAL WARRIOR
CLASSICAL WARRIOR
ORIENTAL WARRIOR

Therefore, if you're setting down to paint Han Chinese, you have nothing to
worry about for 2 years:) I'm really sorry, I sympathize with the plight
of anyone 25mm at this point.

Scott

[joncleaves]

What Scott meant to say was that any list not covered by a published Warrior
list would be 'grandfathered'in NASAMW tourneys until the list was published.

As we plan on publsihing DARK AGE WARRIOR and BIBLICAL WARRIOR with the rules
this fall, those lists would supercede 7.6 or NASAMW lists for those armies in
Warrior tourneys next year.

The rules (the draft I have, anyway) have a section on converting from old lists
to facilitate the transition.

However, having seen some of the first two list books, they are not so radically
different from what is in the NASAMW lists to make me worry about starting work
on an army today.

Everyone has to make that call on their own, however.

Jon

[Greg Regets]

This is a very little thing, but something that occured to me as I was
plunking down 400 bucks for 25mm figures and determining how long it would
take to paint them, given pretty exacting standards.

Could the four horsemen give us some assurance that old WRG 6th Edition and
NASAMW lists will be grandfathered through Historicon and NICT for 2001?

I would REALLY like to know .... :-)

Greg ~paintbrush in hand~

In a message dated 6/19/00 7:04:42 PM Central Daylight Time,
campbellm@... writes:

<<
So there's the possibility that you may end up wasting a lot of money buying
stuff to fit one of the lists that's out now, only to find that it all
changes in a couple of years when the Warrior equivalent comes out.
>>


LOL heh heh Mike, doesn't that statement sound like DBM LOL ) Vaughn

In a message dated 6/19/00 6:28:55 PM Central Daylight Time, jendon@...
writes:

<<
What did I miss? Is 25mm going to be unsupported after the Warrior
lists are put out? All we play is 25mm. Are we doomed? Could you
elaborate on what you think our plight is?

Don
>>
alright Don.....put the xacto down and step away ....... everything will
work out ) Vaughn

In a message dated 6/19/00 8:27:51 PM Central Daylight Time,
campbellm@... writes:

<< >
> LOL heh heh Mike, doesn't that statement sound like DBM
> LOL ) Vaughn

It sounds like every set of rules I've ever had, in any period, since we
discovered the joy of army lists in the late 70's! - I can't figure whether
that deserves a smilie or a tear!! :-)

Mike

>>
I am sure either would qualify to be wetted down with your home brew ;o)
Vaughn

[Don Coon]

Holder, Scott wrote:
>
> This is a very little thing, but something that occured to me as I was
> plunking down 400 bucks for 25mm figures and determining how long it would
> take to paint them, given pretty exacting standards.

> Therefore, if you're setting down to paint Han Chinese, you have nothing to
> worry about for 2 years:) I'm really sorry, I sympathize with the plight
> of anyone 25mm at this point.
>
> Scott

What did I miss? Is 25mm going to be unsupported after the Warrior
lists are put out? All we play is 25mm. Are we doomed? Could you
elaborate on what you think our plight is?

Don

> From: Donald Coon [mailto:jendon@...]

> Holder, Scott wrote:

> > Therefore, if you're setting down to paint Han Chinese, you have nothing
to
> > worry about for 2 years:) I'm really sorry, I sympathize with the
plight
> > of anyone 25mm at this point.

> What did I miss? Is 25mm going to be unsupported after the Warrior
> lists are put out? All we play is 25mm. Are we doomed? Could you
> elaborate on what you think our plight is?

I think he's just referring to not knowing what the lists will look like in
their final form.

So there's the possibility that you may end up wasting a lot of money buying
stuff to fit one of the lists that's out now, only to find that it all
changes in a couple of years when the Warrior equivalent comes out.

Of course you can "suffer" this in other scales too, but it generally
doesn't cost quite as much!

Mike


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> From: jvmc2@... [mailto:jvmc2@...]

> campbellm@... writes:
>
> <<
> So there's the possibility that you may end up wasting a lot of money
buying
> stuff to fit one of the lists that's out now, only to find that it all
> changes in a couple of years when the Warrior equivalent comes out.
> >>
>
> LOL heh heh Mike, doesn't that statement sound like DBM
> LOL ) Vaughn

It sounds like every set of rules I've ever had, in any period, since we
discovered the joy of army lists in the late 70's! - I can't figure whether
that deserves a smilie or a tear!! :-)

Mike


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[Phil Gardocki]

I do recall building Early Swiss in the last days of Rev 6, only to see them
get really shot to hell in Rev 7.

Philip Gardocki

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Campbell <campbellm@...>
To: 'WarriorRules@egroups.com' <WarriorRules@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, June 19, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: RE: [WarriorRules] Lists


>> From: Donald Coon [mailto:jendon@...]
>
>> Holder, Scott wrote:
>
>> > Therefore, if you're setting down to paint Han Chinese, you have
nothing
>to
>> > worry about for 2 years:) I'm really sorry, I sympathize with the
>plight
>> > of anyone 25mm at this point.
>
>> What did I miss? Is 25mm going to be unsupported after the Warrior
>> lists are put out? All we play is 25mm. Are we doomed? Could you
>> elaborate on what you think our plight is?
>
>I think he's just referring to not knowing what the lists will look like in
>their final form.
>
>So there's the possibility that you may end up wasting a lot of money
buying
>stuff to fit one of the lists that's out now, only to find that it all
>changes in a couple of years when the Warrior equivalent comes out.
>
>Of course you can "suffer" this in other scales too, but it generally
>doesn't cost quite as much!
>
>Mike
>
>
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[Don Coon]

jvmc2@... wrote:

> alright Don.....put the xacto down and step away ....... everything will
> work out ) Vaughn
>
It is not just that. I had a jar of black wash (opened!) in my other
hand too. I have taken my medication and I am much better now. Thanks
for talking me down.

Don

[scott holder]

What did I miss? Is 25mm going to be unsupported after the Warrior
lists are put out? All we play is 25mm. Are we doomed? Could you
elaborate on what you think our plight is?

Er, um, you didn't miss anything, I think. My point was that I sympathize
with anyone getting ready to plunk down big money for a 25mm army knowing in
the back of their mind that portions of it could be "worthless" if a new list
comes out. That's all:) In case anyone wasn't aware of the fact, two
horsemen, me and Jake Kovel, are HUGE 25mm players (aka "The One True Scale")
so we're always supporting the scale.

Scott

[joncleaves]

Not just two horsemen play 25mm, I just don't have as many 25mm armies as Scott
and Jake....

Let me tell you all that any list Scott writes, with changes so significant from
the existing versions that someone's current lead might be valueless, still has
to get past me!

Jon, scrutinizer of changed lists horse.

[Greg Regets]

Not to beat a dead horse, but it wouldn't KILL you guys to grandfather the
old list long enough for a player to get their army in order. Please try to
remember that many things in army lists are matters of personal preference
rather than anything historical, for example unit size. Requiring veteran
players to conform to all new lists is more likely than not a battle not
worth fighting.

We are all trying to recruit players to play Warrior right now and it will
be a very bad thing to get some new player to fork out a bunch of money for
troops that may end up not being used. Even the IDEA that this may happen
makes it look like your taking a, "my way or the highway", approach. If I
might be so bold as to suggest this, perhaps you might consider picking
battles that are really worth fighting .... K?

Greg

[Mark Mallard]

So when is the new list book due in the uk?

I preordered with caliver books - three copies two months ago.

mark mallard

incidentally is the timetable for the remaining lists still on schedule?


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