Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

Did the successor phalangites wear the linen cuirass like later hoplites?

I have some Old Glory figures that don't appear to be wearing metal
breastplates. I was figuring on white linen body armor, but I don't know and
don't have the proper Osprey books yet.

John Meunier


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[scott holder]

Did the successor phalangites wear the linen cuirass like later
hoplites?

>Yes

I have some Old Glory figures that don't appear to be wearing metal
breastplates. I was figuring on white linen body armor, but I don't know
and
don't have the proper Osprey books yet.

>Don't know about later Osprey books but earlier ones left something to
be desired. Peter Connolly's books on this period remain the best.

Scott
List Ho

Oh, you like the Peter Connolly books. What is your stand on the heretical
"Macedonians" at Zama? Connolly has some nice paintings of mailed
phalangites. I know Phil Barker dismisses them out of hand. Will you have
any in the Later Carthaginian lists? And when will that book be out, O
Great List Ho?

John Carroll

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[scott holder]

Oh, you like the Peter Connolly books. What is your stand on the
heretical
"Macedonians" at Zama?

>I'm generally impressed with Connolly's research. Of course you point
out the one doofy thing he says:):)

Connolly has some nice paintings of mailed
phalangites.

>Somewhere in there he has some linen-ed pikemen as well.

I know Phil Barker dismisses them out of hand. Will you have
any in the Later Carthaginian lists? And when will that book be out, O
Great List Ho?

>Heh heh, unlikely. Publication schedule can be found at
www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com.

Scott
List Ho

--- In WarriorRules@y..., scribblerjohn@a... wrote:
> Did the successor phalangites wear the linen cuirass like later
hoplites?
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> I have some Old Glory figures that don't appear to be wearing metal
> breastplates.

I vaguely remember an article about the Macedonian tomb that has been
attributed to Philip (Alexanders father) which had some evidence for
metal armour plates that would have been incorporated into a
linen/leather corselet. So even if the armour does not look like a
metal cuirrass it might still be as tough.

Adam

Oh, a 2 year wait?
Wassamatta? You have a real job or something?


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> Oh, you like the Peter Connolly books. What is your stand on the
> heretical
> "Macedonians" at Zama?
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> >I'm generally impressed with Connolly's research. Of course you point
> out the one doofy thing he says:)
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> Connolly has some nice paintings of mailed
> phalangites.
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> >Somewhere in there he has some linen-ed pikemen as well.
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> I know Phil Barker dismisses them out of hand. Will you have
> any in the Later Carthaginian lists? And when will that book be out, O
> Great List Ho?
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> >Heh heh, unlikely. Publication schedule can be found at
> www.fourhorsemenenterprises.com.
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--- In WarriorRules@y..., "John Carroll Compuserve"
<johncarroll453@c...> wrote:
> Oh, you like the Peter Connolly books. What is your stand on the
heretical
> "Macedonians" at Zama? Connolly has some nice paintings of mailed
> phalangites. I know Phil Barker dismisses them out of hand. Will
you have
> any in the Later Carthaginian lists? And when will that book be
out, O
> Great List Ho?
>
> John Carroll
>

Agreed! I think both Connoly's books and Osprey books have "pretty
pictures" but are flawed in many ways.

Anyone remember the so-called Carthaginian "light pike"?

IMHO I would stick with primary sources and would disavow most things
that couldn't be confirmed at least two or three times
as "unreliable" or "speculative".

In the end, however, it is a game and choices have to be made
somewhere along the line :)

Keep up the good work FHE.

-Bill Littlefield