Warrior Ancient and Medieval Rules

[joncleaves]

<<Jon,
Okay, what if the swiss unit were doubled in hand to hand and received
at least 1 cpf, would the halberd element still count steady?>>

Yes.

<< And in this scenario if it were steady, at what point would it not be
steady?>>

Once the combat on the bound of replacement is concluded.




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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Thank-you! :)

kelly

JonCleaves@... wrote:
<<Jon,
Okay, what if the swiss unit were doubled in hand to hand and received
at least 1 cpf, would the halberd element still count steady?>>

Yes.

<< And in this scenario if it were steady, at what point would it not be
steady?>>

Once the combat on the bound of replacement is concluded.




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[Kelly Wilkinson]

Jon,
May I email you off of the warrior page?

kelly




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Jon

Based on the responses to questions posed earlier (message 10144,
10526 etc) my understanding of the Swiss combat rules is

* if Swiss pike/2HCT block beaten in 1st round of combat, unit will
be disordered
* if already disordered from prep shooting etc will be required to
take waver test (2nd cause of disorder)
* rear rank of 2HCT can charge through in 2nd bound
* these rear elements will be treated as steady in this next bound of
combat, but 2nd rank of P count as disordered
* enemy will not count as fighting disordered foot, as front rank
elements (now 2HCT) are steady
* enemy will not count Swiss as shieldless, as front rank is steady
2HCT

OK so far??

Can the 2nd rank of 2HCT replqce the front rank if a 2nd enemy body
strikes the Swiss unit in flank in 2nd bound?

Muz

[joncleaves]

* if Swiss pike/2HCT block beaten in 1st round of combat, unit will
be disordered
* if already disordered from prep shooting etc will be required to
take waver test (2nd cause of disorder)
* rear rank of 2HCT can charge through in 2nd bound
* these rear elements will be treated as steady in this next bound of
combat, but 2nd rank of P count as disordered
* enemy will not count as fighting disordered foot, as front rank
elements (now 2HCT) are steady
* enemy will not count Swiss as shieldless, as front rank is steady
2HCT

OK so far??>>

Looks good to me.

<<Can the 2nd rank of 2HCT replqce the front rank if a 2nd enemy body
strikes the Swiss unit in flank in 2nd bound?>>

No, a body gets to do that once per combat, no matter how many folks join it
later. For that body, its the same fight (subsequent bounds thereof..)

Jon

[joncleaves]

In a message dated 1/7/2005 21:41:17 Central Standard Time,
mdevans@... writes:

So Jon, which phase in the bound does the 2HCT replacement normally
occur (ignoring the flank charge issue)?>>


It is done as part of the combat result of the initial bound of combat.

Jon








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--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> * if Swiss pike/2HCT block beaten in 1st round of combat, unit will
> be disordered
> * if already disordered from prep shooting etc will be required to
> take waver test (2nd cause of disorder)
> * rear rank of 2HCT can charge through in 2nd bound
> * these rear elements will be treated as steady in this next bound
of
> combat, but 2nd rank of P count as disordered
> * enemy will not count as fighting disordered foot, as front rank
> elements (now 2HCT) are steady
> * enemy will not count Swiss as shieldless, as front rank is steady
> 2HCT
>
> OK so far??>>
>
> Looks good to me.
>
> <<Can the 2nd rank of 2HCT replace the front rank if a 2nd enemy
body
> strikes the Swiss unit in flank in 2nd bound?>>
>
> No, a body gets to do that once per combat, no matter how many
folks join it later. For that body, its the same fight (subsequent
bounds thereof..)
>
> Jon

So Jon, which phase in the bound does the 2HCT replacement normally
occur (ignoring the flank charge issue)?

Muz

The clarifications below are great and answer all but two questions
I have regarding the Swiss Rules.
The line that says a single rank of pikeman can fight behind a
replacing element of 2HCT - does this mean that the pike can fight
until the current melee is ended or only in the bound that the
interpenetration takes place?
Below it says that a rear rank of 2HCT can charge through - does
this mean they get the +1 charging bonus against foot?


Cheers.....Geoff


--- In WarriorRules@yahoogroups.com, JonCleaves@a... wrote:
> * if Swiss pike/2HCT block beaten in 1st round of combat, unit
will
> be disordered
> * if already disordered from prep shooting etc will be required to
> take waver test (2nd cause of disorder)
> * rear rank of 2HCT can charge through in 2nd bound
> * these rear elements will be treated as steady in this next bound
of
> combat, but 2nd rank of P count as disordered
> * enemy will not count as fighting disordered foot, as front rank
> elements (now 2HCT) are steady
> * enemy will not count Swiss as shieldless, as front rank is
steady
> 2HCT
>
> OK so far??>>
>
> Looks good to me.
>
> <<Can the 2nd rank of 2HCT replqce the front rank if a 2nd enemy
body
> strikes the Swiss unit in flank in 2nd bound?>>
>
> No, a body gets to do that once per combat, no matter how many
folks join it later. For that body, its the same fight (subsequent
bounds thereof..)
>
> Jon

[joncleaves]

<<The line that says a single rank of pikeman can fight behind a replacing
element of 2HCT - does this mean that the pike can fight
until the current melee is ended or only in the bound that the
interpenetration takes place?>>
[
The rank of pike can fight behind the rank of 2HCT throughout the combat, not
just the bound of rank exchange.

<<Below it says that a rear rank of 2HCT can charge through - does
this mean they get the +1 charging bonus against foot?>>
[
'charge through' is not in the list rule. no, there is no +1 modifier.

Jon